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Are Catholics Saved?
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carlosensei
Jan 16, 2012
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Catholics are saved, but not the way protestants/fundamentalists think.


oppossuma
Jan 17, 2012
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Romans 10:9
"If you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved."

This is where you must always start: what do you do with Jesus. Trusting in Jesus alone for salvation is the cornerstone on which all other stones must be laid.

 
ajdin1991
Jan 17, 2012
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No they are not saved because they chose jesus(pbuh) as their lord and savior, whe he him self never claimed divinity. Even a study of the Christian scriptures reveals that Jesus (pbuh) never claimed divinity.In fact there is not a single unequivocal statement in the entire Bible where Jesus (pbuh) himself says, "I am God" or where he says, "worship me". John 14:28 "My father is greater then I". John 10:29 "My father is greater then all". Jesus only prayed to god and not only said my father but also your father and our father. Bible is a book from god and it was for the people at the time and place he was. Christians just understood it the way it was most comfortable for them. Every christian I know has different beliefs of christianity and different rules so which one is right then? Also why is christianity not mentioned in the bible, the word christian.If that's the peoples religion then why hasn't god or jesus(pbuh) told us our religions name? Because people made it up. First comandment is god is one and christians don't follow that. Bible clearly states alcohol and pork is forbiden and christians consume both, so why aren't they following the teachings of christ when they call them self christians. There is only one god and jesus peace be upn him was his prophet not son. We are all children of god actually and the same way jesus was because he wasn't gods begoten son just like we arent, and the fact that he didn't have a father, Adam and Eve didn't have a father or a mother so from christians point of view they're gods too.Miracles performed, he himself said he did it with the permission of our father and so did moses and noah and all the prophets before him and the prophet after him peace be upon them all.

 
carlodog
Jan 22, 2012
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What evidence or arguments to you have to prove your position? How do you know that there is no such thing as God?

 
carlodog
Jan 24, 2012
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I never presented my position. I was merely challenging yours. Quit side stepping my challenge and provide me with supporting evidence and argumentation that proves that God does not exist.

Thank you.

 
carlodog
Jan 24, 2012
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Do Catholics hold the Holy Bible to be the infallible word of God?

 
carlodog
Jan 25, 2012
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Its just a question for Angeliepintor. Nothing weird about it. What about the question that I asked you? I am beginning to believe that you do not have an answer.

 
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Catholics are not saved, no matter how you look at it.


jonjax71
Jan 18, 2012
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Catholics perform symbolic cannibalism, eating the body and blood of christ at communion. catholics honor false idols as they pray to saints and saintesses, they go against nature by endorsing celibacy and no marriages for their clergy-priests and nuns. They ask their followers to pray while they prey on everyone

 
carlodog
Jan 18, 2012
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Catholics will not be saved if they are relying on their works, such as baptism, penance, and the other sacraments. The Bible is emphatically clear that "that no one is justified by the Law before God is evident ; for, "THE RIGHTEOUS MAN SHALL LIVE BY FAITH." (Gal 3:11). "A man is not justified by the works of the Law but through faith in Christ Jesus, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, so that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the Law ; since by the works of the Law no flesh will be justified." (Gal 2:16).

People are only saved sola gratio sola fide solus Christus . By grace alone through faith alone in Christ alone.

 
carlodog
Jan 18, 2012
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Rebuttal to: ajdin1991 Show

I understand this is off topic but I could not let your comments go unchallenged. You are completely wrong in just about every thing that you have said concerning Jesus and Christianity.

A through study of the Bible will yield the fact that Jesus Christ is in fact God and did in fact claim to be.

1) Jesus claimed to be Yahweh (Jehovah). If you do not know, Jehovah is the special name that God gives to Himself in the Old Testament. Such as in Ex 3:14. No other person or thing was to be worshiped or served (Exo 20:5), and HIs name and glory were not to be given to another. Isaiah wrote, "this is what the LORD (Jehovah) says... I am the first, and I am the last; apart from me there is no God" (Isa. 44:6) and "I am the LORD (Jehovah); that is my name! I will not give my glory to another, or my praise to idols (Isa 42:8).

Jesus prayed, "Now, Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was." (Jn 17:5). But Jehovah of the OT said, "my glory I will not give to another" (Isa 42:8)

Jesus also declared, "I am the first and the last" (Rev 1:17)--- precisely the words used by Jehovah in Isaiah 42:8.

Jesus said "I am the good shepherd" (Jn 10:11). But the OT said, "Jehovah is my shepherd" (Ps 23:1).

Jesus claimed to be the judge of all people (Mt 25:31, Jn 5:27) But Joel quotes Jehovah as saying, "for there I will sit and judge all the nations on everyside" (Joel 3:12).

Jesus spoke of Himself as the "bridegroom (Mt 25:1). While the OT identifies Jehovah in this way (Isa 62:5; Hos 2:16).

Jesus said "I am the light of the world" (Jn 8:12). Yet the psalmist of the OT says "the LORD (Jehovah) is my light" (Ps 27:1).

Here is the most explicit claim that Jesus made concerning Himself to be the Jehovah of the OT. "Before Abraham was, I AM" (Jn 8:58). This statement claims not only existence before Abraham, but equality with the "I AM of Ex 3:14. The Jews around Him clearly understood His meaning and picked up stones to kill Him for blaspheming (Jn 8:58, Jn 10:31-33).

I could go on with the scriptural evidence for the divinity of Jesus. But I just wanted to challenge your primary claim that Jesus never claimed to be God. With a through study of the OT and the character of God as revealed in it. You will see that Jesus who only had the OT claimed that He was in fact Jehovah using language that His contemporaries would no doubly understand.

I could further support the divinity of Jesus by pointing out that Jesus claimed to be equal with God. He claimed to be the Messiah-God. [The OT clearly states that the Messiah would be God (Jehovah) Himself.] Jesus claimed to have equal authority with God. Jesus claimed to be God in requesting prayer in His name. Then after all this, I could show you that Jesus disciples claimed that Jesus was God.

O, yes. In response to your claim that Jesus never demanded worship. I will accept this statement, Jesus never did demand worship while on the earth. Not because He was not God but because such a thing would contradict the reason why He even came. He said "For even the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give His life a ransom for many." (Mk 10:45). He came in humility not in glory (Isa 53:2, Phil 2:6-8). Nevertheless, Jesus may not have demanded worship but He never refused it. Here are passages that state that Jesus was worshiped Mt. 8:2, 9:18, 14:33, 15:25, 20:20, 28:17, Mk 5:6. Not only did Jesus accept this worship due to God alone without rebuking those who gave it, but he even commended those who acknowledged his deity (Jn 20:29, Mt 16:17). Every other person or being who is not God, who was offered worship rejected it and rebuked those who offered it. Act 14:15 and Rev 22:8-9.

Now in reference to your other statements.

First just because the word 'Christianity' is not in the Bible does not mean that the religion is not taught in the Bible. The Bible does not have the word 'bible' in it. Nor does it have 'omniscient' in it, but that does not mean that the bible does not speak about the collection of books that we call the bible, or about God being all-knowing.

Christians do not worship multiple god's, but one God alone.

The Bible does not say that alcohol is forbidden, even Jesus drank wine. Paul instructed Timothy to drink more wine and less water for medicinal reasons.

The dietary laws of the OT have been abolished by Christ. Mt 15:11 and Act 10:10-15.

In response to Jesus being the Son of the Father. Read Heb chapter one. It is absolutely clear that Jesus was the unique Son of God.

Thank You, for your arguments.

 
ridz
Jan 22, 2012
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Really, f*** off with your self-hope-giving attitude. There is no such thing as God, so either way: Catholic, Muslim, Jew or Atheist we're all f*cked.

 
angeliepintor
Jan 23, 2012
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catholics arent saved.
im a catholic. and there is such thing as a purgatory where your entire life doings will be judged. you do good. you go to heaven. you dont do well. you go to hell. no one in particular is sure about being saved . lke for example, a person who boast a lot being good and doing a lot of charity and etc,telling the people how charitable she/he is and he/she will go to heaven beacuse of doing so. well news flash, pride is one of the seven deadly sins. you can never be too sure about anything. especially about being saved just because you are a catholic.

 
ridz
Jan 24, 2012
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Do you have any proof it's there? Nope. Everything in the bible has already been falsified with proper, scientific evidence. Saying: 'How do you know it's NOT there?' is the worst possible argument.

 
ridz
Jan 24, 2012
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That is quite a weird thing to say in an argument.

 
cartesiandiver995
Feb 04, 2012
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WHy is there no option "Catholics are damned"?

 
cartesiandiver995
Feb 04, 2012
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Oh right, I thought the right side is "Catholics ARE saved, no matter how you look at it."

 
daftone
Mar 10, 2012
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Jesus said the only way to the father in through me. The only way to God is through praying to Jesus. As to catholics it would have to be taken on a case by case basis. If they follow the catholic faith then no they aren't saved. They pray to Mary not Jesus along with sever hundred other things that go against the bible.

 
Willard Torres
Jun 02, 2012
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The usual answer: How do you know that there is a God? Although that is the case, one cannot say that there is a middle ground. There can only be a God, or there cannot.
What are the proofs or evidences given for a God? A thousand year old book with no credible sources? Claims of spiritual experiences hastily and inaccurately explained by "miracles"?
What are the ones given against God? The whole impossibility of the idea of a God. Yes, I know, "absence of evidence is not evidence of absence". But that statement is arbitrary, and at some points it starts to abandon reason. I can say that I have a purple unicorn as a pet, and when you ask for proof I say that "she is invisible, and she is outside the boundary of scientific explanation". Same goes for your God.

Now, back to the topic. What, exactly, does being "saved" mean? The false reassurance of comfort after death? If that is so (Christians being the only ones saved), then that is obviously false. What about the people who lived before the Christian belief started? What about those who do not believe in God and yet are morally upright people? Are they not worthy of salvation, if it does exist? What about those who claim to be Christian yet rejects its teachings and are false? Does their claim of being Christian instantly grant them a free pass to salvation?

 
G-ann Panto
Oct 25, 2012
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Actually, whatever religion you are doesn't guarantee you are SAVE. The religion is only a guidance. It is up to us and our deeds if we are worth it to be save or we are save. Some Catholics, are not doing good to their society and therefore there is a greater probability that he is not save!

 
Rory Levell
Nov 04, 2015
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no because there is no god thus no one is saved, the only place you go for eternity is the ground, until you break down and become a fossil fuel after millions of years

 


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