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Are Americans Hypocrits?
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naminator01
Feb 13, 2007
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No, Americans are not hypocrits


beth27
Feb 13, 2007
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Rebuttal to: naminator01 Show

Is that your only argument? I don't know about you, but I did not take land from Native Americans and honestly, almost every country has been "taken over" by another group. That isn't to justify it, but I don't believe it is a fair argument.

I don't understand how you could lump Americans into one, large stereotype such as that. In fact, I think everyone is a hypocrite in some way or form; not just Americans. However, I don't ever recall telling or even hearing anyone tell any immigrants to "F-off". So no, in that sense, a majority of Americans are not hypocritical.

 
riddar
Feb 14, 2007
3 convinced
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Rebuttal to: rajio Show

"Americans elect hypocrites."

As a rule? Politicians are hypocrites? Period?

Fine. There are 500 some odd congressmen. Name a couple of hypocrites, with quotes to that effect. Have them saying one thing on day one, another on day 2. Rinse and repeat several times, of course (I certainly did not elect some small district Representative in Iowa, so he certainly does not represent me).

Now, please keep in mind that if 50 Senators vote one way and 50 another, that does not make the Senate chamber hypocritical (obviously). It is simply full of convicted individuals. Now, if the news has a PETA person one day, and a representative of the fur industry the next, that does NOT make that network (or the viewers, or America) hypocritical. It simply shows certain people believe different ways, heard on different days.

Now for the application- some Americans hate immigration. Some Americans are immigrants. This does not make America hypocritical.

 
riddar
Feb 20, 2007
1 convinced
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Rebuttal to: tggdan3 Show

-I am an American.
-I want freedom of speech.
-I do not want smoking of tobacco or marijuana.
-I believe in speed limits, although I admit I am guilty of breaking them from time to time. I do not like being caught/punished, but I do understand the concept fully, and do not consider it unfair.
-I want cheap gas. I supported the Iraqi war for COMPLETELY unrelated reasons.
-I want cheap gas. I drive a sensible sedan, and would buy a comparable hybrid quite quickly.
-I want other countries (and ours) to cut down on all emissions. I believe that our current international organization should aim to spread existing energy sources to other nations.
-I want the right to bear arms. I want limited gun control. That is no more hypocritical than saying I want cars AND speed limits; freedoms can exist inside limitations.
-I want rights to privacy within a reasonable limit; there are justifiable invasions. I do NOT believe in TOTAL right to privacy, therefore it is not hypocritical.
-I do not understand the car door idea, so I will not respond to it. Feel free to elaborate.
-I am covered by my own insurance on car rentals. Once again, I don't understand your point.
-I want a big screen TV, but that comes from my discretionary budget, after I lose a portion of my income to a health plan which I desire.
-I want lower taxes, and less government spending.
-I am an American. The stupidity of total stereotypes astounds me.

I counter your 'argument' point by point. I am not a hypocrite. Occasionally, I differ from other Americans (Some want total gun freedom; others, a ban on guns. This does not make Americans as a whole hypocritical). I believe in many different things. These beliefs rarely, if ever are at odds. Therefore, I, and most other Americans are not hypocritical. People like you are stereotypical, and the argument presented leans towards the label of foolish too.

 
nix
Feb 13, 2007
0 convinced
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Tricky...
I think most people can be hypocrites because we are good at pointing fingers but bad at looking in the mirror. But to make a blanket statement that Americans are hypocrites is pretty hypocritical!
If you truly want to stand by the idea that people outside the borders of the US are not hypocrites, you are ignorant and, well, a f**king hypocrite.

By the way, where are all you Canadians who get mad when people use the term American to mean people from the United States? Or are Canadians included here? You're American, too! So are Mexicans! Or is that only when the world doesn't hate us?!

 
riddar
Feb 13, 2007
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Rebuttal to: naminator01 Show

Are all non-Americans into blatantly stereotyping foreigners?

Well, no, but that question is on this level.

To dignify your example with a response, stop generalizing the country. SOME Americans begrudge foreigners. Not all; often, a minority of Americans. I do not condone this view, but that is certainly a different topic. So your belief is quite wrong.

Now who took lands from native Americans? Buggered if I know, some European settlers. I descended from later immigrants, as did the vast majority of people in the country. I know I never enslaved or stole land, and can safely claim that my ancestors did not either.

Like most Americans, I am not descended from the original European settlers, the countries founders, citizens from the early eras, or anything along those lines. So I neither hate foreigners, nor did I kick people off lands. Both arguments are blatantly wrong and very simple generalizations.




Also, the issue of foreigners 'taking our land' has yet to enter the political arena; land ownership is a set precedent, so if an immigrant pays the owner for land, he has the option to take it or leave it, and will rarely cost himself money by leaving it. No one has yet voiced such a fear in this country in a way that I have heard.

 
riddar
Feb 13, 2007
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Rebuttal to: naminator01 Show

In that case, closer, but I still don't think that they can be held responsible for the actions of their ancestors/countrymen. No one alive today kicked Natives off anything, so I don't blame them for what happened. While their views are remarkably biased and shortsighted, for the most part, I do not think they qualify as hypocritical, per say.

I don't like arguing semantics alone, but I think that this is an important distinction to make. In this case, being hypocritical means they know what it is like to be kept out of a country, which I am sure that they personally do not. I think that would make all the difference.

 
riddar
Feb 14, 2007
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Rebuttal to: shadowscythe13 Show

I absolutely agree. Tragedies, all, but it is absolutely wrong to hold blame to the descendants for the actions of ancestors. The Native point is moot, unless an opposer of immigration actively pushed a native off their land.

 
riddar
Feb 14, 2007
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Rebuttal to: amoania Show

You have a beef against Bush, which is fully your right, but you decide to express it by going into a debate that is not about him and making a statement through your vote against the American people.

Not only is this forcing your opinion somewhere where it is unrelated (therefore, less than wanted), but it exacerbates the problem of arguments unrelated to topic on the site, adds to clutter of open debate, and makes you out to be a foolish voter at best. You say yourself, you read the debate, then voted. If you made practice of reading argument rather than topic, the issue would have been avoided.

You 'apologize' to Americans for being of the same people as Bush. That is insane. What race are you descended from? I will name a killer/travesty/genocide related to it, call you a bloodthirsty savage, then apologize that you are of a people of bloodthirsty savages based on the actions of that few. But it is OK- as I call you a savage, I will mention how unfair my judgment was 'forced' to be.

Want to be apologetic? Stick Bush arguments in topics remotely related to him, and don't make wildly foolish posts like this for the purpose of pushing a single point of view where it is unwanted. I will not get into the fact that you should never make a stereotype based on an individual, the point would be lost on you.

 
wooster
Feb 17, 2007
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Rebuttal to: naminator01 Show

American employers are gladly willing to pay immigrants less money than American workers. If all Americans hated Immigrants why would we hire them?

 
wooster
Feb 18, 2007
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Rebuttal to: what Show

The key word is AMERICAN employers. You said american's are hypocrites. No they arent, because obviously the American employers love to hire the immigrants, there is no hatred there.

 
shamrock
Feb 18, 2007
0 convinced
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The first Americans were from Asia. If you live in North or South America you are an American!

 
riddar
Feb 20, 2007
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Rebuttal to: 7x13 Show

One administration opposes nukes. The other builds nukes. These are two seperate and completely respectable views. This does not make the country hypocritical. To be hypocritical, a single administration must oppose THEN support nukes.

"Also in Desert Storm we were on the side of Iraq. We gave them nuclear weapons. Now we hate them because of this (this was one of the reasons for going into "war")."

This is so blatantly wrong that it makes my eyes hurt. Not to criticize the argument itself, but it is SO wrong. Not on opinion, but raw fact. 2+2=5 has more merit.

In Desert Storm we, along with 29 other nations, INVADED IRAQ. Quite a broad conflict. We killed or captured much of their armies. It was a large and deadly war. To say we supported them actually is an insult to whatever history teachers you may have had.

"We gave them nuclear weapons."

I quote this again because it is so blatantly incorrect.
-If we had given them nuclear arms, we would have given them weapons of mass destruction.
-If we had given them we had given them weapons of mass destruction, they would have had weapons of mass destruction.
-If they had weapons of mass destruction, we would not be criticizing the administration for not finding weapons of mass destruction.

Get it?

 
7x13
Feb 21, 2007
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Rebuttal to: riddar Show

I'm sorry, I'm sorry I said the wrong "war". That was really dumb. The US did give Iraq nukes in this one "war" I freakin forgot which one and I'll try to get back to you on that.
One the other hand. The whole entire US and the whole entire country of Russia signed a treaty againt anti-ICBS's. ANTI being the key word not just ICBM.

 
7x13
Feb 23, 2007
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Rebuttal to: riddar Show

"The country AS A WHOLE was inconsistent"
You just said it. Inconsistency is a form of hypocracy. The admistrations within the US did say no we won't then yes we will. If one admistration of PETA said we never kill dogs and then the another Peta admistration does then PETA is a hypocrit (which they allready are but that's another story for another time).

 
7x13
Feb 26, 2007
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Rebuttal to: riddar Show

please answer this question with only a yes or no answer and nothing else. If you actions and words are "not in agreement" are you being hypocritical?

 
wonderallthetime
Mar 01, 2007
0 convinced
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What really bothers me about immigrants is they come into this country for the opportunity, yet they stand there and talk in a foreign language. If you want to be an american, then PLEASE learn the language, and use it.
And as far as mexicans coming her to make it better for their familes back home. PLEASE. Most of the jobs end up there because of less expensive production. So they are not only millking the jobs here, but causing us to lose jobs to there.
But you know, our government has caused this. And americans are lazy. They don't want to work for less to build the economy here. Nor can they afford to.
Don't get me started!!!!

 
riddar
Mar 16, 2007
0 convinced
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Rebuttal to: tggdan3 Show

You have yet to say why an American is slightly more hypocritical that every other nation, bar none.

-When I say I do not want tobacco or marijuana, that was a rebuttal to you assuming I would want one and not another. All I said was I use neither. Frankly, tobacco and marijuana do not decide my vote, they rank low priority. Besides, privacy is quite unrelated to most actions- I would not think that privacy extends to you commiting crimes inside of your home, whether it be assault or simply a drug crime.

-Al Gore is a hypocrit. I refuse to watch his movies because he offends me in this way- he is wasteful, preachy, and obviously using a hot-button issue paired with manipulation of data to gain money for his polical career. He is a jerk, to sum it up. Yet he is one person in a big country; I do not defend him, and don't consider him our quintessential American.

-I want government spending because I live in New York, whose Medicaid program is a poster child for lack of oversight and corruption. We lose 18% of local taxes to our state oversight and redistribution, and 35% of our state taxes to Medicaid, which (being closely related to an orthodontal office manager whose job it is to medicaid paperwork) is corrupt. There are people who have children every 5 years, on the fifth year, to avoid being knocked off the system (cycle of poverty, paid for by state taxes). Many drive very expensive cars. We have self-proclaimed preachers who game the system (in their defense, parishes range UP TO 3 families!). People drive Mercedes, BMWs, SUVs, and collect Medicaid. People have the nerve to ask that we reschedule them for their jobs! (Medicaid is of course for the unemployed for a certain time, reset on each new birth) If I could count how many medicaid families come in, with no two children with the same last name, that are on medicaid, I would. I can't. This is the type of government spending that I think needs to be cut down, I understand the reasoning behind most government sponsored research, and support it in most cases.

-As far as speed limits, I am no perfect person. People argue them because they are selfish, plain and simple, and in the end we all do some selfish things. I don't argue them normally, as it seems to make it worse, but I wasn't happy last time I got one. And yet, I understand why they exist and wouldn't want to live in a state without them. Once again, this is no differentiation of Americans.

It is like saying "You Americans hate crime, but some guy just robbed a bank!!" Yep, good for him. One person. The topic is AMERICANs being especially hypocritical, and I don't buy it.

 
fetus
Apr 12, 2007
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Americans are not hypocrits, but I think they're hypocrites.

 
dereksemeraro
May 27, 2007
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Can someone be more specific. From what I see now, it is a generalization.

 
believeit
Oct 27, 2007
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Why are AMERICANS more hypocritical than other countries? OMG your hypocrit is showing. Do you want an anwser? Well here it is...BECAUSE AMERICANS ARE BIG ASS HOLE LEADERS OF THE WORLD!!!!

 
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Yes, Americans are hypocrits


importedgoods
Feb 14, 2007
1 convinced
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yes


nuff sed

 
amoania
Feb 14, 2007
1 convinced
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this debate is flawed...
i agree that you cannot lump an entire nation of individuals into one such stereotype...
however, i'm going to say that when i first read the debate, i immediately thought of bush (who runs america), and believing that he is a HUGE hypocrite (and liar), my vote has to be for this side...

i apologize to all the poor americans who fell into this lump category... i agree it is unfair.

 
thom
Feb 17, 2007
1 convinced
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I am an American. And yes, Americans have always been eye-poppingly hypocritical. I do my best to fight it. Though I would nominate George Bush for the #1 All-Time-Greatest-Bloody-Hypocrite-Ever Award. Hopefully we'll learn our lesson eventually, but I don't know. A group of 300 million people can be pretty damn thick, especially if some of them are "Amurricans."

 
naminator01
Feb 13, 2007
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I believe that Americans hate immigrants for taking their jobs and land.

But who took the lands from the original native americans?

Discuss

 
naminator01
Feb 13, 2007
0 convinced
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Rebuttal to: riddar Show

I am sorry, i should have put more thought into this, what i mean was "are white power/skinheads hypocrits" when they tell immigrants to f off yet they took the lands from native americans?

 
bigwillie
Feb 13, 2007
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Rebuttal to: beth27 Show

Very good argument.

Too bad the Sharks are taking the Sabres down in the Finals.

(Sorry for interrupting, I just had to say something. As you were.....)

 
rajio
Feb 14, 2007
0 convinced
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in a democracy a people are represented by those who they elect. Americans elect hypocrites. Do the math.

 
shadowscythe13
Feb 14, 2007
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Rebuttal to: riddar Show

Ok, i am not taking sides here, just wanted to say. Not all Americans are White. Not all americans are Racist. Hell, most Americans Aren't Racist. Also, if you are going to judge us based on what happened over 200 years ago, then why stop there? Why not blame Germans, all Germans mind you, for the Actions of Hitler in WWII? Or blame the Turks for the Genocide of the Armenians in WWI? Maybe we should blame the British for the War of 1812, which they started by Burning the White House. Maybe we should blame the Indians for attacking Pakistan, time after time after time.

The natives we "pushed" out of the land are not the first natives pushed off. The British and Spanish are famous for their systematic destruction of the natives in areas they colonize. Do we Blame the Mexican People for the Mayans and Aztecs their ancestors killed?

 
jonemi
Feb 15, 2007
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First, I was born an American citizen and love the United States. I feel that I live in the greatest nation in the world. Unfortunately, I do admit to being a hypocrite. Sorry.

 
what
Feb 17, 2007
0 convinced
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Of course Americans are hypocrits. Hello people we have a President that says he is a compassionate conservative. Those two words alone used together is hypocrisy.

 
what
Feb 17, 2007
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Rebuttal to: wooster Show

You said it.....American employers are gladly willing to pay immigrants less money. Thats why.

 
what
Feb 19, 2007
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Rebuttal to: wooster Show

So American employers themselves aren't American? They love to hire cheap labor, see what happens if the immigrants try to unionize.

 
tggdan3
Feb 20, 2007
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I am an american.
I want freedom of speech unless it offends me.
I want smoking of tobacco but not marijuana.
I want the cops to not ticket me but I agree in speed limits.
I want cheap gas but no war in iraq
I want cheap gas but buy SUVs.
I want other countries to cut down on coal emissions without giving them an alternative energy source.
I want the right to bear arms but gun control.
I want the right to privacy but not for perceived criminals.
I don't want the government to know where I am unless they can unlock my car doors for me.
I don't want insurance unless I crash my rental car.
I will buy a big screen TV but pinch pennies on heath care.
I want no taxes but lots of government spending.
I am an american. I am a hyprcrite.

 
7x13
Feb 20, 2007
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When we "finished" the Cold War we signed a treaty saying that we would never build any anti-ICBM's(Intercontinental Ballistic Missles) ever again. Do you really think that we have stayed true to this?
Also in Desert Storm we were on the side of Iraq. We gave them nuclear weapons. Now we hate them because of this (this was one of the reasons for going into "war").

 
jcmyboy
Feb 20, 2007
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I am an American, and everywhere i go there are hypocrites all around me. I am not a hypocrite (most of the time :) ) but yes America needs to grow up

 
makie
Feb 20, 2007
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americans are just as big a hypocrites as any other persons from some other country.

 
riddar
Feb 22, 2007
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Rebuttal to: 7x13 Show

"The whole entire US and the whole entire country of Russia signed a treaty againt anti-ICBS's. ANTI being the key word not just ICBM."

The 'whole entire' administration in power followed a path of detente, signing anti-ICBM agreements.

Later, a different 'whole entire' administration followed a path of re-arming and pushing this technology.

These are two different administrations, each performing their own policies. Please, please look up the word hypocrisy, then the word consistency. The country AS A WHOLE was inconsistent; however, since this was not a single administration reneging on its own beliefs, it IS NOT HYPOCRISY.

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"The US did give Iraq nukes in this one "war" I freakin forgot which one and I'll try to get back to you on that."


Please excuse me for quoting myself, because I don't think it stuck.

1 ) If we gave Iraq nuclear weapons, Iraq would have had weapons of mass destruction.

2 ) If we had given Iraq weapons of mass destruction, Iraq WOULD HAVE HAD weapons of mass destruction (obvious, yes, but crucial to this proof).

3 ) If Iraq had weapons of mass destruction, the planet would not be (justifiably) criticizing the Bush administration by saying that Iraq DID NOT HAVE weapons of mass destruction.

4 ) Therefore, the US did NOT give Iraq weapons of mass destruction, nuclear or otherwise.


It is widely accepted that there were no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. If we had given them weapons of mass destruction, then they WOULD have them, right?

 
riddar
Feb 24, 2007
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Rebuttal to: 7x13 Show

"Inconsistency is a form of hypocracy"

NO! It isn't! PLEASE look up the words!! Well, you won't, so I will for you.

Hypocrisy: insincerity by virtue of pretending to have qualities or beliefs that you do not really have
Inconsistent: discrepant; not in agreement
(Source: wordnet.princeton.edu)

Therefore, inconsistent simply means differing. That's all.

So, to give an example, the Reagan administration NEVER pretended to believe in detente, ever, at any time. They never wanted to disarm. Therefore, when they rearmed, it was NOT hypocritical. It was inconsistent/different from with the policies of preceeding administration, but that is NOT hypocritical in any way.

We do not have a national sense of morals that can be violated; therefore the country can not be hypocritical. And you have yet to propose any evidence saying that the individuals are hypocritical.

A country can be inconsistent, but not hypocritical. The people as a whole can be hypocritical, but you fail to make it seem that American citizens are more hypocritical than any other national citizen.

 
tggdan3
Mar 15, 2007
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Rebuttal to: riddar Show

If you really believe in speed limits you wouldn't break them. (and people do argue with cops about traffic tickets all the time).

Plenty of people complain about emmissions but use plenty, like Al Gore who uses more electricity then 10 families in a year, and tells us to turn off the ligths to stop global warming.

You said you wanted a right to privacy but no smoking of tobacco or marijuana, which could be at odds if done privately.

You said you want less government spending but you want us to make efforts to spread our energy technology to the world and force other countries to decrease emmissions.

Welcome to the world of the hypocrite.

 
tggdan3
Apr 02, 2007
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Rebuttal to: riddar Show

You are either hypocritical or not. There need be no comparison to other countries.

And you say you agree with speed limits but you broke them for your own convenience. You're saying with your ACTIONS that it's okay as long as you get away with it. If you really felt it was necessary you would do your part and not speed.

Al Gore was one of the elected representatives of our country. As our former vice president, surely he does represent us to some degree.

Besides, as you said, it's not about you personally. Many americans that want to ban swearing will get offended when schools try to ban religious speech and will shout freedom of speech all day while they try to oppress.

Obviously not every american believes each thing, but we see these things in the public. This debate is very generalized. We are told to "support our troops even if we oppose the war." We have the right to bear arms but gun control. There is plenty of hypocracy in america.

 
believeit
Oct 27, 2007
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Beth27 on the "no" side really stunned me. She is completely clueless on condition of the United States. Of course Americans are hipocrits. Just look at Bush. If the majority of America was NOT hipocrit, then we would be living in complete peace with our fellow countries. Think about it, if America wasn't full of hipocrits, then there wouldn't be any lies. And if there wouldn't be any lies. And if there weren't any lies, then there would be no reason to hate Bush.

 
believeit
Oct 27, 2007
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OMG. Wooster on the "no" side is so pathetic. Wooster, you are completely oblivious. Have you not watched the news, read the newspapers, or even payed attention? AMERICAN employers hire imigrants and then pay them way under minimum wage. There isn't any hatred there, but there's definetly somethin'.

For example, an American employer hire's a Mexican and payes them TERRIBLY. Then, when he is accused of the crime, he says "oh no, I would never do a thing like that, all men are created equal." I call that being a big ass hipocrit. And the thing you need to get through your thick skull is that the MAJORITY of AMERICANS do this kind of sh*t.

So if still think that AMERICANS aren't hipocrits, than you are some kind of dumb ass.

 
naminator01
Oct 28, 2007
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Rebuttal to: beth27 Show

Boy, have you not even listened to the Hal Turner Show?

He tells spics and niggers to go back to Mexico/Africa all the time.

You are definitely lying to yourself.

 
berlinboyz
Jan 30, 2008
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we are the only country to ever use a wmd.

 


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