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Does bad grammer and spelling make you look like an idiot?
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openearsopenmind
Jun 21, 2011
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mmnck86
Jun 24, 2011
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Why is this a flame war? I think it's a valid question.

The question is, does bad grammar (not gramm"er") and spelling make you LOOK like an idiot. The written word can only be read––not listened to, smelled, tasted, or touched (although braille allows for reading by touch). Those who read words are, by nature, LOOKING at words. Unless done purposefully with some other characteristic in mind, someone who inadvertently spells a word incorrectly or strings together a sentence without regards to grammar will lose credibility, as that "someone"'s education has now come into question.

 
openearsopenmind
Jun 21, 2011
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yes I spelled grammar wrong on purpose...don't harass me
personally I am terrible at spelling, because I think faster than I can type. Therefore I am very careful about what I post, write, hand in, ect. However I am a stickler for grammar! I feel as though excessive use of slang, and grossly incorrect grammar makes you look like someone who has never stepped into a school.

if I was hiring someone and the were speaking to me like an inbred little brat I would dismiss them immediately, its just not professional.

 
openearsopenmind
Jun 23, 2011
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so far you haven't actually debated my statement, just insulted me personally, good job.
The first thing a potential employer see's is your resume, so no matter what your credentials, if you cant write a resume that makes you look like an individual that can put a coherent sentence together, why would they take the time out of their day to meet with you? They wouldn't. If you do manage to get the interview saying things like "I don't know nothing about..." or "I'm a gooder worker than anybody." are not going to get you the job.

furthermore if picking someones spelling and grammar apart is your debate strategy then you are right, it would drive me crazy. A good argument is a good argument, no where did I say that bad grammar invalidates a supported argument, I simply said it makes you look stupid.

 
teachme
Jun 29, 2011
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Sorry, Marco...I can appreciate what you've said, but...one does not write "good," one writes "well." Also, "a lot" was misspelled...lol It's actually two words..."a lot." ;) Don't worry...it's okay if you're inbred...we love you anyway! ;)

 
urbanchic
Jul 12, 2011
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Of course, it all depends on the extent of the bad grammar. If you miss a ' here and a capital there it doesn't look nearly as bad as say: im lookin fer a 2 bdrm apt on thee eats side somplace cloes to skool and all the anemities.

However, if you're trying to apply for a job, or write a school paper, or something equally important you want to try to keep your spelling and grammar as great as you possibly can. But yes, if I see someone on a forum, or craigslist with sentences like the one I've provided above, I think they look stupid. However, if I see someone who could have simply had a few typo's (although most websites underline your writing in red if you spell a word wrong and allow you to right-click to get it right) I'm going to give them the benefit of the doubt, especially if what they're saying sounds smart.

 
james67
Jun 23, 2011
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You can judge a person's intellect by their ability to spell. Unless someone has dyslexia, the ability to spell shows that they have been educated or at least care about learning. Someone who can't spell doesn't have the most fundamental prerequisite to intelligence, or doesn't care about being intelligent.

 
openearsopenmind
Jun 23, 2011
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Now why would I care about looking smart to you? I know my level of intelligent , I have nothing to prove to you.

Secondly speech pattern has everything to do with grammar, because poor speech pattern (ie. gooder) is poor grammar. Spelling, speech, and grammar are apart of every job, because they are involved in communication. Thus if you sound like an idiot, why would I hire you to potentially work in the presence of customers? Unless you are completely isolated from the consumer, then you are correct, it doesn't really matter. Assuming your lack in English skills doesn't bar you from attaining the job in the first place.
Try to keep up.

 
james67
Jun 29, 2011
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A person would not become a chemistry teacher if they could not read or write. Also, why is it so ridiculous to consider that someone who can write a good poem could be more intelligent than a chemistry teacher ? It sounds perfectly plausible to me. Some people do lack the motivation to spell, and if they lack that, it is likely they won't care about learning in general. . . Unless someone has dyslexia, there is no excuse for bad spelling and grammar, words were made to be used properly. Try applying for a job or sitting an exam and spell everything incorrectly, see where that gets you. Spelling indicates intelligence.

 
james67
Jul 01, 2011
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Of course the ability to spell isn't a matter of motivation when you have dyslexia, like Einstein. . . what a stupid example you've provided. I already said that unless someone has dyslexia there is no excuse for bad spelling. In case you don't know, dyslexia is a condition that impairs a person's ability to read and write. Every person in the world you would deem intelligent can spell unless they have some debilitating condition. Why would an intelligent person intentionally have bad grammar and spelling? I've noticed you're making sure not to spell anything incorrectly as that would reflect badly on your intelligence. Ha ha

 
james67
Jul 02, 2011
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It doesn't equate to, it indicates. It was out of human intelligence that language came about, it perpetuates the legacy of intelligence through its usage.


Btw, in future decide which argument you want to make before deleting it 3 times. I can still read your deleted arguments in my emails, which are replete with spelling errors. It's hilarious that people are arguing counter to the notion that spelling and grammar are to do with intelligence then spend so long changing their posts to make sure there aren't any errors in order make the argument look more credible.

 
james67
Jul 02, 2011
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It doesn't annoy me, I just find it ironic and hilarious. You did change the grammar and spelling because you know people are more likely to be convinced if it is presented correctly as this indicates intelligence.

 
gassedup
Jul 02, 2011
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Ha ha.

 
james67
Jul 02, 2011
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Wahey

 
epsecretmapper
Jul 02, 2011
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Yes, bad spelling and grammar does make you look like an idiot. For those people that say that you cannot judge the intellect of people from their grammar, take a closer look at the question. It asks if a person *looks* like an idiot, not if the person is truly smart

 
james67
Jul 03, 2011
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Thanks for that useless comment. I've yet to be disproven. I am better than you ...

 
james67
Jul 03, 2011
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If I wanted to "not publically be a dumbass" (great wording there), why would I word my opinions on the internet ? I can see that you're either a moron or can't read English. I forgive you for your ineptitude, if you don't understand what I'm arguing, it's ok. Many people are morons these days.

 
james67
Jul 03, 2011
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Your p*ssy is haunted

 
rupus
Jul 20, 2011
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Ahem. "Does bad grammer and spelling make you LOOK LIKE an idiot?"
Yes. Yes it does. It doesn't mean that you are one, but everyone will think that you are.
P.S. I find it hilarious that the poster misspelled "grammar."

 
mort432
Jan 17, 2012
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Learn to actually debate instead of just making personal attacks on debaters.

 
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enzod1022
Jun 21, 2011
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You're not necessarily uneducated if you don't spell or use grammar properly. Some people are very smart, but are lacking in their ability to write. You can see this characteristic in many analytical and math-based thinkers. I work with a big group of engineers that can recite Calc 3 from the textbook, but I could beat any one of them in a spelling bee.

You cannot judge a person's intellect or competency by the way they spell. But sure, there are people who can't spell because they are in fact uneducated.

 
gassedup
Jun 28, 2011
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Spelling, grammar, and language skills are in fact skills. There are people that naturally have a difficult time in this field, just like there are people that struggle with math or memorization. By your logic, a person that can write a beautiful poem but can't do algebra is more intelligent than the person who can teach a chemistry class but has trouble spelling. Language skills are exactly what the name implies. They're just another set of skills that people can both excel at or struggle with. Furthermore, I strongly disagree with your assertion that "bad-spellers" are void of motivation. I'd also contend that writing is *not* a prerequisite of intelligence. There are plenty of people that can speak beautifully and are extremely intelligent, but cannot write. Technically, you can entirely bypass writing on the "road to intelligence", however, it would certainly help.

 
gassedup
Jun 29, 2011
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I never said the hypothetical chemistry teacher couldn't write or spell, nor did I imply it is ridiculous to assume the poet is more intelligent. Read what I wrote before you throw false allegations around. I suggested that it is entirely possible to be "intelligent" with subpar writing skills. The adopted crux of our argument is whether or not writing skills are a requisite of intelligence. Let us define intelligence; according to Webster's, intelligence is the ability to understand or deal with new or trying situations (the skilled use of reason). So one absolutely cannot make sensible and educated decisions or solve intricate problems without excellent writing aptitude? You have yet to agree with me that comprehensive reading and writing is a skill, so forgive me if I assume you find this to be false. There's no use trying to convince you otherwise. "Unless someone has dyslexia, there is no excuse for bad spelling and grammar, words were made to be used properly". Missing semicolon aside, this statement comes off a bit senseless. So is there no excuse for poor math, communication, social, or memorization skills? Of course there are. I believe there are many more variables concerning poor writing capabilities than you suggest. Lack of motivation? Please. That's weak. You could say that about anything. Albert Einstein, one of the most brilliant men of the 20th century, would occasionally have people write his theses due to his writing incompetence. Surely you would not call him unmotivated or unintelligent. Like many poor spellers, he had memorization problems. Sure, it's easy to assume lack of intellect based on one's writing proficiency. Most of the time, however, you would be wrong.

 
marcopolo
Jul 01, 2011
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Hi Teach I was tossing a bone to openears and hole in the head or whatever the hell his name is. I was hoping he would kind of jump on it so I could do the same. I also ended a sentence or 2 with a proposition just for fun. Alas it was not to be.
Besides my inbred status is well documented all the way back to Adam and Steve. The fact that you love me is enough to cover all my wounds and get me into my next crisis. My whole point is that even with talking good and spelling goodly I can always look like an idiot on my own.

 
accipiter
Jul 03, 2011
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At some point it looked as though you had a change of heart and decided to argue points in here. Perhaps the strain of avoiding personal insults got the better of you.
While I am not a huge fan of how MarcoPolo retaliates I can see why he does with you.
You are adding new meaning to the terms childish and moronic.


 
accipiter
Jul 03, 2011
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Oh James this is so tiresome of you. If you are looking to shock please find another venue. The shocking words you are looking for were represented in 1972 by George Carlin. The seven words you cant say on TV. Let me set them out for you so you can have a frame of reference.
Shit
Piss
Fuck
Cunt
Cocksucker
Motherf**ker
Tits

There now you can enjoy your little masturbatory fantasy. In case you don't understand what that means the actual definition of childish masturbation as stated in Webster's Unabridged Dictionary is a picture of James67 after he makes one of his lewd little comments on a website.

 
marcopolo
Jun 22, 2011
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Nice attempt at making yourself look good. Are we supposed to be impressed that you think faster than you type? So I guess you wouldn't hire a great programmer if he didn't write good.
Kind of a big stretch between poor spelling and grammar to inbred little brat. Is that a term you just learned and were dying to use in a sentence?
One of the things on here that drives alot of people crazy is ignoring a good argument and picking apart the spelling.

 
marcopolo
Jun 23, 2011
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What does your speech pattern in the interview have to do with spelling and grammar. What you are describing is a total imbicile. If spelling and grammar have nothing to do with the job there is not too much concern.
Try a few capital letters in your sentences.
Insulting you? I pointed out that you were trying to make yourself look smarter than you are. Thinking faster than you type? Please.
Try keeping your arguments on a reasonable footing and you won't have the problem.

 
marcopolo
Jun 23, 2011
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Oh Please. You tried to make yourself sound smart to the whole room with your retort about thinking faster than you type.
You are trying to draw a line between good grammar and total idiot. Maybe some middle ground.Not everyone is in customer service jobs. I know in your limited way you can't see yourself in any job beyond McDonalds but there are some out there.
Go back to your fries and your customer service job

 
gassedup
Jun 28, 2011
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So you've admitted that your obvious poor writing skills are due to you thinking faster than you type, or whatever. Ok. Fine. But given your proposed notion that you're currently trying to sell, one would think you'd try extra hard to improve your grammar. "I know my level of intelligent". That can't possibly be a typo.

 
deceivers
Jul 01, 2011
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If it was a case of life or death and someone had to hurriedly send you a message that appeared garbled, who would be the idiot, Me for not working it out or them for getting the grammar wrong?
As long as the message is understood, to whom it was sent was correct and a thousand other things, who cares?

 
gassedup
Jul 01, 2011
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Dyslexia is a joke. Its a spelling "disorder". The symptoms are poor grammar and spelling; what a diagnosis! If a man has terrible writing skills and doesn't consult a doctor, he's stupid or unmotivated. If a man has terrible writing skills but sees a doctor about it, he has "dyslexia" and gains sympathy. The only difference is that a doctor officially labels you "dyslexic". There are no outstanding symptoms or signs of dyslexia other than poor spelling. So technically, I could see a doctor, write a few words incorrectly, tell him that I have difficulty putting my thoughts into words, and make my poor writing skills an official disorder. I think I might start my own disorder club...IUA (Inadequate Urine Aiming), for those of us who can't piss straight. Einstein couldn't spell because he had a bad memory for it. Not because he was cursed with some sort of fancy debilitating spelling disease. As for my alleged increased efforts to spell better, I can say the same about you.

 
teachme
Jul 01, 2011
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"Someone who can't spell doesn't have the most fundamental prerequisite to intelligence, or doesn't care about being intelligent."

Intelligence equates with good spelling, eh? So, you're saying all the way up to the point in human history, even beyond petroglyphs, when we began to form a "legitimate" alphabet in order to spell...human beings were void of intelligence and didn't "care about being intelligent"? ...How do you figure???

What is your estimation of oral language, which obviously came before written? I suppose its creation just "happened," with no rhyme or reason...no developed thought patterns, intellect, or designated meaning.

Can't help but think about Neil Armstrong's famous quote: "That's one small step for man, one giant leap for mankind." If good spelling is the final destination to the world of wisdom, how on Earth were we intelligent enough to map out, or even survive, the journey?

 
teachme
Jul 02, 2011
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In fact, smart ass...I deleted it three times, because each time I either added (not corrrected) text and/or created new paragraphing. Plus...I knew it would annoy you...every little thing does. Oooooppsss...did I say "little thing"?

 
marcopolo
Jul 02, 2011
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Ahh James I guess the pressure of not publically being a dumbass finally made you crack and here you are again. You make yourself such an easy target and still insist on calling attention to yourself with your childish little quips. You make points that are so convoluted that even if somebody wanted to agree with your position its so hard to cut through all the bullsh*t to see what you are trying to say. I can only assume you have given up your hunt for your little dick and now you are pissed and trying to take it out on everyone here.

 
marcopolo
Jul 02, 2011
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There was once a man who spoke 17 languages fluently. He was arrested and put in a mental institution. The only problem with the languages was that he made them all up. The reason I mention this is because it draws to mind the reasoning power of James 67. In his mind I think he might actually believe his own sh*t.

 
marcopolo
Jul 03, 2011
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Hey you dumbass little dick idiot I think it may be time for you to go on back and squeeze a few more zits off or face so maybe you can go out in public again. At some point you are going to figure out that we are not running off and giggling like little girls because you think you are being clever.

 
melody
Jul 03, 2011
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Sadly it is not your spelling and grammar that make you look like an idiot. If only it were that simple.
We are all hoping this changes the day you lose your virginity.

 
marcopolo
Jul 04, 2011
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Hey pimple boy. Back to where we started. Any chance you want to attack me with some cheap shot you whiny wimpy pimply littes bag of puss?

 
marcopolo
Jul 04, 2011
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Hey pimple boy maybe a chemistry genius can clear up your face your you. Losing some zits might help with that whole virginity thing.

 
marcopolo
Jul 04, 2011
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Hey you Pimply wimpy little wimp. Come out from behind mommys dress now. Come attack me.

 
marcopolo
Jul 04, 2011
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Hey pimple boy Better than me is easy am a lazy fatass and retired. So if the bar is set so low why cant you get over it. Come on you little wimp. How much of a challenge do you need. Popping zits can't be a 24 hour a day job even for you.
Challenge me and I give you a little secret that might help you lose your virginity

 
Jacob Wentworth
Jan 16, 2012
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With the growing media control kids aren't grasping the idea that grammar is just sounding words out, people are forgetting grammar more and more every moment and losing their grip on sophistication. I personally belong to a middle school where i am criticized because of my ability to excel in grammar and persuasion because people cant understand the manner in which it is taught. basically it dose not make you an idiot because more and more people are becoming this way.

 


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