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Foreknowledge or Predestination. Is Predestination Biblical?
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lacknothing
Mar 08, 2011
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God has foreknowledge has not Predestined us. God does not choose who goes to Heaven!! We make the d


theudas
Mar 09, 2011
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So in your words, Is predestination simply God knowing what options people have and what will make them choose one way or another or is it that God has a plan that we have to follow. The good, the bad, and the ugly

 
carlodog
Mar 09, 2011
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I almost did not make my voice heard in on this topic, because it is a large and elaborate topic. But, I could not resist. God has a predetermined purpose for His creation. He has a set plan that comes into fruition as time progress. For this reason every action in history and in the future was preordained or decreed by God, so His purpose can be fulfilled. In the process humanity still makes free decisions in the way that they conduct their life.

The first option that you gave me seems to describe a school of thought called Molinism. The second is a strict form of fatalism. Molinism attempts to explain how God's choices and man's choices work together. Fatalism simply removes man's choices. I on the other hand, do not attempt to explain how God's choices and man's choices work together. But, I do affirm that humanity is responsible for their choices. I choose to stick strictly to the biblical testimony, which affirms both God's sovereign choices and man's responsibility.

 
theudas
Mar 09, 2011
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If every action in history and in the future was preordained or decreed by God for his purposes how can choice be anything but illusion?

If my future and past are already decided isn’t my choice non-existant?

If every action I am to take and have taken is a result of Gods choices how is that my responsibility? Doesn’t that just make me a tool to be used without any influence?

How do you settle these seemingly conflicting ideas?

 
theudas
Mar 11, 2011
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So I have free will, but in reality I can’t choose anything aside from what your God has planned out? That my friend is not a choice. According to your argument, the circumstances are all planned by God to manipulate people into following his plan. There by having free will, but not being able to use it. Thus making it without free will.

I’ve done things that I haven’t desired to do, I’ve not done other things That I’ve desired to do, This kinda defeats the argument that people will only do what they desire to do unless God changes their minds

So we’re manipulated into thinking we have free will, when in actuality our choices are not our own, but a result of manipulation


 
sneschalmerss
Mar 13, 2011
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Bender: So do you know I'm going to do something before I do it?
God: Yes.
Bender: What if I do something else?
God: Then I don't know that.
Bender: Cool, cool.

 
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Predestination is Biblical, God chose our fate before we were ever born and we must abide by his cho




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