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There is no point in life.
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flyboy1996
Feb 23, 2011
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dark13
Feb 24, 2011
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There is no point... if we come to leave it better than it was, what does that actually prove, we have just created something to be destroyed. apparantly god created the earth (i don't believe in him, but if he does exist, good job) we destroy most of "his" work, cutting down trees and leeching all the resources.

you may be thinking maybe we leech resources to make things to make the next generation happy, thinking of others, but is this really possible. A smart person will be thinking, "we are making life better in the future, but worse in the end" we live to live, we don't actually achieve anything because everything is based on life and that is just living (yes seems weird but it is pretty much it, breathing, eating, dying and killing).

if we think we could be helping some sort of superior thing, it could be just living it's "life", it doesn't know you, we to them/it could be a piece of dust. we notice dust as much as we think of the molecular structure of a fished tongue (i am definate we never think of that, but yes i am sure your are thinking of dust and fish tongues now, see my trick (insane)).

Thanks for bearing with me and reading this.

also i am sorry, i am new and i accidentally clicked convinced for the other argument... as much as i wish i could cancel it i don't know how.

 
dark13
Feb 24, 2011
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Rebuttal to: stof Show

a point of life to look back at the mistakes of humans is contradictory, there is no start, therefore no end, if life is associated with the fact a human is alive, then when humans started existing there would be no other humans to point a mistake out (using your quotes), therefore has no possibility and if there was a association with a time lapse then it would make life a repetitive and therefore would have no beginning in an eternity of time.

I do think that this post was actually posted as, there is no point in life with any proper intellectual nature. what are we actually going to do. life we live and we die, the Dodos went, Moas and other creatures were killed by humans, why not us killed by animals, it may happen, everything will die off, everything needs to eat something, maybe plants, then maybe those plants disappear then those things die, the things that needed to eat them starve, that goes up the chain, maybe something moves it's food source over to us, then we get bombarded by the biggest of creatures, which before had many other creatures to feed on, we will die, the main thing in life is dying, why bother living if your going to die. tell me what is the point of life... dying? lets fulfill it... i am sure you'd say "no" this therefore cannot be a "point" of life, but an aftermath, there is nothing an intelligent person can actually say that can truly go through every test and every person on earth that will qualify. that is the only way to find a "point of life".

 
joryrferrell
Feb 24, 2011
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I don't believe there is a point or goal. However, that would also inherently mean we have the ultimate freedom to make up our own points. Which is better I guess.....

 
flyboy1996
Feb 24, 2011
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If we all die then there is no point in life. Unless you have a religion and believe there is an afterlife then there is absoloutley no point. We all die there is no escape we all die and every bit of memory concisnous escapes us then whats the whole point of living at all if we can't have them forever.

 
dark13
Feb 25, 2011
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Rebuttal to: jingo Show

For everything we do, we only help ourselves, and maybe just maybe we are all characters in some video game... so we are providing entertainment for some being... and that however has no point because they would have the same situation they would only be there to be some sort of unnecessary existence, yes we could continue up the chain, but it goes on and on and since it is infinite it wouldn't exist, thus making it completely no point.

(try to bare with me, i am not the greatest at explaining)

We only affect ourselves and everything we know of we there will always be an end, because there is an eternity to make one, what is the point of something if it is going to completely die.
and if we are based on life and life is the thing which is based around entities existing then everything must be based on dying at sometime, that means that everything will die... what's the point of something if it is all going to just die. it's like making a specially designed laptop that should be used for top secret operations and use that as an skimming stone alternative. heaven and hell (if existent itself) will disappear or is already nonexistent.

 
flyboy1996
Feb 25, 2011
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Rebuttal to: theudas Show

what im saying is that if you think about it nothing in life matters. we all die and any memory of our life vanishes. unless you were someone really important everybody will forget about your existence 20 years after you die. And yes you can make up a point in life but that is sort of delusional don't you think?

 
flyboy1996
Feb 26, 2011
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Yes you can put value in your life but that does not make it true, i could believe that i am god but that does not make it true. Yes you still remember your grandad who died 20 years ago but do you think about him or talk about him nearly as much as you did the day after he died? I would asume the answer is no unless you have some mental issues. And as you think about him less and less that means his influence on the world is quickly fading. Everybody dies and the lives they affect die too, there is absoulutley no way that me, you, or anybody can escape being forgotten, and thus making their lives meaningless unless you can have a massive effect on the world which is by no means an easy task.

First off gilgamesh is not real he is just a myth. The creator of this work of literature has been forgotton thus making his life meaningless. A better example from the sumarian era is Hamurabi. And i said in my earlier statement that very important people in this world tend to be forgoten much later than normal people. But even today his influence and name are no longer as well known as they used to be. my estimate is that he will be completley forgotten in the next one thousand years. And once you and your accomplishments are forgotten your life becomes meaningless and has no point.

 
flyboy1996
Feb 26, 2011
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Any bit of concisnous after death qualifies as an afterlife. so the only alternative to that is nothing.

 
pgandal
Feb 28, 2011
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Thanks for the platitudes.

 
flyboy1996
Feb 28, 2011
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Yes but you said that those may not the only two options and what i was saying is that any other option would defy every bit of logic.

 
sandra1314sundae
Mar 01, 2011
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there's no point in life. true. you just set your own goal, the world wouldn't make a point of life for you. You have to find it for yourself and see if you think it's right or not. If you convinced yourself of that point, than that's your mortal.

 
sandra1314sundae
Mar 01, 2011
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the point in life is not set by anyone, so you can't really say there is a point in life. You just go out there and do your own stuff. As you said, "Your purpose is what you mkae it" there is no point in life, and what we do are only set by ourselves and by others around us.

 
dark13
Mar 02, 2011
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i don't...
Rebirth... maybe we start again, maybe we go to a wondrous place to live for eternity, but this is just doing the same thing again. this is just living again, (always about video games) let's say you finished a level (or something like that) and it just says try again over and over. and you are forced to try again.
definitely sounds fun. With life you always will die... because life is the path to death and death is the destination, but if death is the Teleporter back to the start. then this is eternal. therefore would prove no effort, because you can "try again" therefore no point.

If we are here to make the world better (for ourselves or others), what is the point? We are just going to die and they are, and anyone who knew about what you did. Everything dies. Everything has an energy source everything has to use energy to live.
Trees need it, what happens when they go and there isn't enough oxygen to live, everything will die.
Animals have energy source. If they die, we die. And no matter how many Realms or worlds there are We, and they, will die. Essence will die.

I really can't understand how you resist the possibility that there are no possible points of life.

It is so easy to see. i guess the problem is so hard to explain. if you don't want to believe it (or have been programmed too thoroughly to be able) :'(

 
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jingo
Feb 23, 2011
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The point in life is to grow and mature, so that we may leave it better than it was when we arrived

 
stof
Feb 24, 2011
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I can give you multiple sentences to think about when it comes to the point of life. It depends on how you want to discuss this.
One of the points of life is what you are doing right now, you pointed to the mistakes humans do destructing everything around, noticing these mistakes and correcting them is on itself one of the greatest points of life.
I’ll give you two extra philosophical sentences to think about (am not really sure how do you want to debate this since it’s a huge topic).
“We learn from experience that men never learn anything from experience.”: George Bernard Shaw
“What we call the beginning is often the end, and to make an end is to make a beginning, the end is where we start from”: TS Eliot.

 
stof
Feb 24, 2011
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Unless you are immortal, then the first sentence of your argument will be right, and if you were immortal, then for you there were be no point of life, but you aren’t, you will die someday, and for everything that have an end there is a start.
True the first humans didn’t have as a point of life “pointing and correcting mistakes”, you are not one of them, neither am I, so this particular point fits on both of us, PS you are rejecting people who believe in reincarnation.

It’s also true that the point or meaning of life is highly depending on the definition of life; does life extend to the after-death? The two quotes I gave you can be thought of beyond the definition of life, you actually missed the point on both of them; am not even sure you did some serious thinking about what I said, am not going to go about the rest of your argument because they don’t fit in the context (philosophically), we weren’t always the dominant species at earth, also I’ll remind you that some previous dominant species caused the extinction of other species(example: dinosaurs), nature rages did the same(ace age)…, at least we are aware about it, hopefully to correct the damages we are doing…
Finally answering your last paragraph, the answer is in this two quote, it’s not about the beginning or the end, the point of life is what’s between its beginning and its end, whether life start good or bad, life itself is the point.


 
jingo
Feb 24, 2011
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After death, there are only two choices. A) an empty void or B) some type of afterlife.
You cannot claim either to be fact because we will not know until we die (for those of you who say people have near death experiences or "die" then come back to life and see an afterlife, all i have to say is this: if they are alive, they are not, nor have never died only come as physically close to death as possible. It is impossible to die and then be alive. In order to do that you would have to posses some talent above human power. Since we are but mortals, you cannot.). So you can believe there is an empty void but that is quite dismal and very depressing. I believe that there is an afterlife, what ever form it might take, because that means there is something to continue on into and to hope for. If there is an afterlife, than that means there is a point to this life, even if we do not know it yet

 
theudas
Feb 25, 2011
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You don’t need a religion to have a purpose in life. All you need is a brain, Your purpose is what you make it

 
jingo
Feb 25, 2011
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Ah but even if we are just a video game, isn't the point in life to entertain the gamer?

 
theudas
Feb 26, 2011
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I know what your saying and I whole-heartedly disagree. We put value in out lives, we make it matter, as do the people who we interact with. I remember my granddad, he died 20 years ago, I remember Gilgamesh, we have the first recorded piece of literature that describes him. Perhaps my life does not matter to you, but that does not in any way devalue how it matters to me and the people that I am close to

 
jingo
Feb 26, 2011
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.... which is what i stated in my earlier argument i.e. the empty void

 
theudas
Feb 26, 2011
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Putting value in your life, and assuming that your God are two very different things.

People assign value to things throughout their lives, places, things, actions, etc. Just because you don’t hold the same value to one of these as I does not make me wrong. If I look at a place where I have fond memories of my family, but it is meaningless to you, I am right to say the place is important, and you are right to say its not. IN reality It is subjective. My life may not hold value to you but that really does not matter. The fact that I can make meaning out of it, and those I share myself with can brings it value.

I often reflect on the loved ones in my life that have passed on, more so than I did back as a young child. And the Doctors say theres nothing wrong with me thanks.

The point of Gilgamesh is that people (real and mythical) have been remembered over the ages and throughout history. Someone like John Buchan or Constantine may not have much meaning to you, but I remember them and their lives, I know their accomplishments and they live on though my thoughts.

Even if we are infinite each one of us is crucial, for if one is missing we no longer have infinity.

 
taylorb
Feb 27, 2011
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In my opinion there is a point in life.We should appreciate all the good things in life rather than the bad things.I disagree with the fact that life is pointless, it is the way you look at it.Life can be a challenge from the minute you wake up till the second you go to sleep.But we must learn from our mistakes and try again on things we have failed.You are the only one who can change things, so make your life a good one.

 
gitch
Mar 01, 2011
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there is a point in life it's the unforgetable mories the laughs the people you meet creating new life there alot of life in life

 
gitch
Mar 01, 2011
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there is a point in life it's the unforgetable mories the laughs the people you meet creating new life there alot of life in life

 
theudas
Mar 01, 2011
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Please re-read my previous comments.

The point in my life is set by me. Therefore I can say there is a point to my life. I may set this on my own, I may use philosophy or religion to do it, it does not really matter because I am assigning meaning and purpose and accepting it therefore giving it purpose and meaning a “point”.

I’m not arguing an absolute point that all people share that is destined from birth, but rather one that we create.

Conclusion: there is a point in life, we assign it.

 
jeen
Mar 02, 2011
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Do you believe in rebirth?

 
jeen
Mar 02, 2011
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first of all i must apologize for my poor English. but if u get wat i mean will be a pleasure to me. ok doesn't matter u believe in rebirth or not. but u hav a point. u always says that there is no end. right?
i am a buddhist. hope u heard about it. u r a wise person as u could see the useless of this life.Lord buddha has given an answer to your question. um not going to teach u buddhism here. but remember this. there is a way to end this life circle. lord buddha was the only person who teached that. normal people never want to end this because they dont see the uselessness of this life, they temperaly enjoy this life. when they get old and disable they suffer, they hope god will protect them. but you the otherhand hav seen this truth and this will be a good start for your life if u try to find the truth. do not bias to any religion. be wise.

 


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