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Homosexuality: Biblically accepted or not.
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trudy12357
Feb 21, 2011
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Homosexuality is catagorized as a Biblical sin and should be refrained from as any other sin.


carlodog
Feb 21, 2011
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There is no third choice. The Bible is clear in the fact that homosexuality is an abomination.

Leviticus 18:22 "You [man] shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female ; it is an abomination."

Leviticus 20:13 "If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act ; they shall surely be put to death. Their bloodguiltiness is upon them"

Romans 1:27 " and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error"

1 Corinthians 6:9b-10 "Do not be deceived ; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God."

These are just a few passages.

Let me note that the Bible does not teach to hate homosexuals, contrary to popular opinion. But, it does state that homosexuality is a sin just like every other one mentions in 1 Cor 6: 9a-10.


 
gatorsf80
Feb 21, 2011
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Rebuttal to: jingo Show

Why is it then that most religious organization are against it??? Many quote the bible to prove their point.
With few modern exceptions in church's split, to prevent people from leaving their clergy

 
carlodog
Feb 22, 2011
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That is not the claim. The Bible emphatically claims that each word is the word of God, even though it was given through fallible humans. Besides your self who ever claimed that the biblical authors were merely interpreting God's word.

The reason why people 'go beyond the commandments' is because God revealed more than the commandments.

 
carlodog
Feb 22, 2011
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Interesting question, I thank you for it. Here is the biblical answer, if you request I will provide proof texts. The OT was not made irrelevant by the NT. The OT communicated the old covenant that God made with humanity. It was a covenant on obedience to the Law recorded in the first five books of the Bible. Among this Law was the prohibition of homosexuality. Infractions to this Law was punishable by death, perfect observance of this Law was rewarded by life. The problem with the Law is that no person could perfectly follow it, it was given to show people their sin. To direct the person to seek God in faith for forgiveness.

This is where the NT comes in. The NT communicates the new covenant that God made with humanity. Instead of one by Law it is one by grace. In order for this grace to be given to humanity the Law must be completed or perfectly followed by one who never sinned. This is Jesus, He followed the Law perfectly. For this reason when He was put to death it was not for His own sins but for those of humanity. So the Law was completed in Jesus, so in this sense your monotheistic friend is correct. The Law was made abolished by Christ obedience. The moral mandates of the Law are still in place, because the Law reflects God's perfect nature. All the moral characteristics of the Law are still taught in the NT. But, the physical punishments are not, Jesus paid that price.

I hope this answers your question. I'm not sure what you mean by 'debate... on that score?' Could you elaborate?


 
carlodog
Feb 22, 2011
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Yes, some Christian denominations still think that the dietary laws recorded in the book of Leviticus should be observed as well as the Saturday sabbath. Rather than a Sunday sabbath. In my opinion this position stems from a lack of NT scholarship. Some denominations are accepting homosexuality, but they do not have any biblical grounds for this. The only reason is for political correctness, inclusiveness, and growth which equals $.

 
carlodog
Feb 24, 2011
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Loving someone does not mean that we need to condone their behavior. It would be unloving to condone harmful behavior. It is an expression of love and concern to the person to not condone homosexual behavior.

Even if they could not help their feelings, this does not mean that their feelings are good. Skin color is morally neutral, behavior is not. A psychotic cereal killer cannot help their feelings, should we condone their behavior?

 
carlodog
Feb 25, 2011
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The debate question is not whether or not homosexuality is acceptable, it is whether or not the Bible accepts homosexuality or condones homosexuality.

If the Bibles stance on homosexuality is outdated or not is a completely separate question.

There is no third choice in respect to the debate question, in fact there is only one choice.

 
carlodog
Feb 25, 2011
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Jingo I agree with most of what you have said. However, not all of it. I agree that we should not hate, discriminate, or oppress the homosexual. As you have said we should love them, but not for who they are. Rather we should love them because they are God's image bearers. Christians believe that ultimate happiness is found in a personal relationship with Jesus Christ. Christians believe that because that is what the Bible teaches. As 1 Corinthians 6:9a-10 states, homosexuals cannot have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ. Therefore a homosexual cannot have ultimate happiness, unless they give up their sin and follow Jesus. For this reason we Christians loving the homosexual should strive to bring them to repentance and faith in Christ. This is showing the ultimate love towards them. There is no love in condoning sin that leads to death. Letting a blind man walk of a cliff is not loving.

So what would Jesus do? He would treat the homosexual as He treated the woman caught in adultery, recorded in the gospel of John 8:1-11. He would say to the homosexual "Where are they? Has no one condemned you?” “No one, sir,” they will reply. “Then neither do I condemn you,” Jesus would declare. “Go now and leave your life of sin.” But if the homosexual would not leave their life of sin, then Jesus would say to them on the day of judgment "I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness." (Mt 7:23)



 
carlodog
Feb 28, 2011
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It is easy to see the problem with the serial killers feelings because the consequent behavior harms other people. But, so does homosexual behavior. Their feelings are wrong because the consequent behavior harms other people and their selves. In addition to that, just like the serial killers feelings is not natural, homosexual feelings are not natural. The act of homosexuality is against the order of nature as well as the desire for the same sex.

 
lacknothing
Mar 08, 2011
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The Commandments were only intended for the Israelites not for us. Christians use them as guidelines to live by as examples of what God expects from us. The Commandments have been interpreted just as much and the rest of the Bible. They vary in interpretation just like the rest of the Bible. For example #6 "Thou shall not murder," some translations interpret the word "murder" as "kill." Which have two totally different definitions that don't coincide.

 
lacknothing
Mar 08, 2011
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Homosexuality is not only a moral sin but a physical sin. The reason God created Man and Woman is for procreation. Procreation is only able to be achieved by a man and a woman. Two men cannot procreate neither can two women. God did not intend for men and women to be involved with there same genders. God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah because of homosexuality.

 
goot
Apr 06, 2011
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It is considered as a sin in the Bible,
but those who not believe in God should not be punished because of others who do.
We should all be free to marry, love who ever we want.

 
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Homosexuality is supported through scripture and is accepted by the God of the Bible.


jingo
Feb 21, 2011
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You are forgetting a third choice: The Bible neither supports nor condemns Homosexuality.

 
skiingfool435
Feb 22, 2011
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I always wondered why people go beyond the commandments. Everything except the commandments has been interpreted by fallible humans. Only the commandments are the word of God.

 
hiruko
Feb 22, 2011
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Speaking as a non-Christian: I have heard from my monotheist friends that much of the Old Testament was made irrelevant by the New. This doesn't include the prohibitions on homosexuality I assume? Particularly the "put them to death bit"? And is there any debate, however far-fetched you might think it, on that score?

Just curious.

 
hiruko
Feb 22, 2011
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Good answer, in the confusing part of the question I was asking if there was debate within the Christian community about which parts of the OT were still valid.

 
jingo
Feb 22, 2011
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The Bible is for Christians. Being Christian means you follow the ways of Christ. Did Christ not teach of compassion and understanding? Did he not protect the sinners and let them into his heart? Should we not follow his ways of compassion and try to understand people instead of judge them? While I do believe matrimony is a sacred ceremony of a man and woman coming together as one, I do believe all men have the right to be happy, and if being with another man is the way to that happiness, then I say so be it. Whether or not it is a sin, we should follow the ways of Christ and let these people into our hearts (though not our beds) and show them mercy and leave the judging to God and his wisdom.

So does the Bible praise homosexuals? No, obviously not. But does that mean we should treat them as less then human? No! So does the Bible accept them: I say it does, even if it doesn't condone such actions. It may sound cliche, but we need to remember: What Would Jesus Do?

 
ramonaskinner
Feb 23, 2011
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God said to love thy neighbor...are we not supposed to love them because they love someone of the same sex? I don't see how that is fair. Everyone is different. It is not a sin to be black. It is not a sin to like a certain kind of music. I don't see how homosexuality is any different. A homosexual cannot help their feelings.

 
theudas
Feb 25, 2011
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I disagree Carlo, there is a third choice,
The third choice is that bibles stance on this particular issue (homosexuality)
Is outdated. Based on a lack of understanding by the people who wrote it.

After all Leviticus says that homosexuality is wrong, but it also says shellfish are abominations and that unruly children should be stoned to death.

 
ramonaskinner
Feb 28, 2011
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Touche, but I don't see how you can make the comparison between a serial killer and a homosexual person. I understand what you are saying and where you are coming from, but I don't think there is anything wrong with their feelings. What makes their feelings wrong?

 


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