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The bible partially serves as a way of distracting people from issues they can't cope with.
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joryrferrell
Jan 18, 2011
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Yes, I think it does.


joryrferrell
Jan 18, 2011
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Why does the bible waste space on retarded ass "laws" like "Thou should not lay with another of the same sex." instead of things like "Thou shalt not worry about petty sh*t but instead solve real problems."


 
harryrose
Jan 20, 2011
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The bible is all well and good in it's intentions, I mean it tries its hardest to create an impossibly strict and hypocritical account of the way humanity should act according to one man. But bottom line the bible should be one page with the words "Try not a be a cunt" written on it.

 
joryrferrell
Jan 27, 2011
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Rebuttal to: carlodog Show

My bad...I forgot I started this....I've made so many threads I'm starting to lose track of them. Anyways, take the global food problem for example. Genocide. Disease. In a way, I feel people are coping out when they turn to religion. God tells us via the bible (....supposedly.....) that we should do our best to help our sisters and brothers in need. Wouldn't that time spent in church be better spent helping others on important projects? Apparently, that's how you really honor god and his word isn't it? By helping others? But who is helped when we go to church? The individual going to church! Isn't going to church to worship god nothing but an attempt to kiss enough ass to get to heaven? It's like an act...."Look at me! I dressed in my best clothes to sit on a bench...what is that worth in brownie points?" And as for the part about it building community spirit......great...build community spirit by volunteering at the local hospital as a clown. I'm going to steal something from G. Carlin here....."It's all one big stroke job!" I'm not saying everyone should throw away their religion, as it is useful in some ways. But shouldn't the priorities of church goers be reassessed? Maybe Sunday's (whatever the day of rest in your particular religion is) should be devoted to helping people. What would Jesus would do??

 
berational
Jan 27, 2011
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The human mind is a complex thing to understand. I'm sure many people turn to religion to escape, much the same thing as some people turn to alcohol, drugs, or food. The intentions of one action can be very different from person to person and quite irrational. I agree that many people, especially those that cannot think for themselves, do accept guidance or answers from hollow rituals (be it religion or whatever), regardless of how irrational it may be.

Not to start another debate, but a great example of irrationality is religion itself. If you look at it from a historical, scientific, and logical point of view, it is completely unfathomable to me that people can take the Bible (or any religion) literally. Religion to me is synonymous with philosophy. It's basic beliefs on how one should live their life. Socrates, Plato, and Aristotle for example, all had their concepts on how people and society should behave. Stories and fables are "made up" to enforce these concepts in hopes that people will adopt them and become "better" people. So when people tell me that they are affiliated with a certain religion, to me it just means they live (or atleast think they do) life with a different philosophy. I don't really put a deity into the equation because a god is only present to make a distinction between religions. You take away the god and all of a sudden, these religions become much more similar.

 
harryrose
Jan 21, 2011
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"And "the fool has said in his heart, There is no God" (Psalm
14:1)" That is NOT an argument. So because someone says there is no god they are a fool? I will tell you what's foolish.. An invisible man in the sky who created everything in the entire universe. He's also perfect and knows everything and if you don't have absolute beleif in him you will burn for eternity. Ok. Well which one of us is the real (very nearly mentally ill) dickhead?

 
berational
Jan 23, 2011
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"Distract" is the wrong word here but I agree that counselors and religious leaders use the Bible to comfort those with difficult life issues. When someone is weak and feeling challenged in life, they accept support from anyone willing to give it, especially those who can relate to the problem. Why do young males in poor inner-city neighborhoods tend to join gangs? Because they are missing a father figure or they need protection and the gang can offer these things. It becomes his support group.

Using the same logic, the church has a reputation for consoling people wanting to overcome grief or sadness, so that's where they turn. People just want to be reassured that someone (God) still loves them and they have an imaginary support system to help them overcome life's obstacles. This is effective most of the time because dealing with problems is all about your mentality (perspective and confidence). People can draw strength from many sources and religion is a very popular source...and it's free.

 
berational
Jan 24, 2011
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Rebuttal to: carlodog Show

That's not a realistic picture of what's going on in America. I am not religious but I see churches, church support groups, and organizations using their resources for people who need help. I've also taken a few sociology classes where I've read research articles about the use of religion to help counsel people. It works in many cases. Many churches have support groups for very specific issues like divorce, losing a loved one, or drug/alcohol abuse.

There are certain churches use over-the-top intimidation tactics to scare people into being a "good" Christian, but these churches don't represent the majority of religious institutions on America.



 
berational
Jan 24, 2011
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I re-read the debate topic and may have gone off topic using the church example. The question specifically states if people use the "Bible" to cope with issues, not necessarily church or church support groups. But either way, it's religion and many people definitely use it as a healing process. This isn't a debate of how true Christians should behave, it simply asks if people sometimes use the words of the Bible to cope with problems, and they do.



 
berational
Jan 24, 2011
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I didn't like the word "distract" from the start, as stated above in my first argument. This debate title can be interpreted a few ways, but the way you just expressed it makes sense as well. It can be seen as demeaning, insinuating that the Bible serves no useful purpose but only to temporarily ease the "pain" someone is going through. Perhaps it should have been better phrased. In fact, the title makes less and less sense to me because I have never known anyone to use the Bible for distraction. People turn to religion for emotional and spiritual healing (resolving personal conflicts), not to be distracted from them.

It would be like me getting into a bad accident. I would naturally go to a doctor to get medical attention. I'm not hoping the doctor would distract me from the pain, I'm hoping to get healed!

 
berational
Jan 24, 2011
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This is my first debate and new to this forum. There was no clear indication of who started this thread so I just kinda jumped in. Thanks for the info though and it was a good dialog.

 
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No, I don't believe that it does.


carlodog
Jan 19, 2011
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What kind of issues cant people cope with? and what parts of the Bible distract people from these issues?

What do you consider 'petty sh*t'? and what are real problems?

 
carlodog
Jan 24, 2011
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I agree with most of what you have said. However, Christianity is last place that someone overcome by grief and sadness wants to turn. The Bible unavoidably teaches that all men have fallen short of the glory of God, and therefore deserve to be condemned to eternal punishment in Hell. This does not sound like the kind of thing that a grieving, depressed, person would like to hear to perk them up.

 
carlodog
Jan 24, 2011
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I agree the modern church particularly the church in America, are more geared to a self-help gospel. This however, should not be confused with orthodox Christianity. In fact I would go as far to say that these 'churches' have abandoned their Christian roots and have converted the historic Christian faith into a new religion. Moreover, true Christians should not have to be scared into being 'good' Christians. That should come natural to a person who takes their beliefs seriously and truly believes them. The true historic Christian faith is not one that people just run to when they are overcome with grief, sorrow, and depression.

 
carlodog
Jan 24, 2011
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Rebuttal to: berational Show

If we are to strictly adhere to the debate title, it is not merely a question of whether people use the words of the Bible to cope with problems or not. There is nothing wrong with people looking to the Bible for answers to their problems. In fact this would be positive fact about the Bible. Rather, the debate question attempts to incriminate the Bible by asking if the words of the Bible serve as a way to distract people from issues they can't cope with. I would have to answer this question by saying no it does not.

 
carlodog
Jan 24, 2011
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Rebuttal to: berational Show

I believe that we are in agreement. I believe that Joryferrell started this debate, if you look at his first post, you will see what he meant by the debate title. I am fairly sure that he was trying to incriminate the Bible with his question. I would have to say that I am a bit let down that he did not respond to my rebuttal. But, I did enjoy our short dialog, thanks for the chat.

 
carlodog
Jan 24, 2011
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Then let me just say that I am not 100% sure, that he did start this debate. Just because his post is the first does not necessarily mean that he started it. I just figured that he was the author because it fits the nature of the debates that he has started on 1-17 and the 18th. It is an educated guess. None the less, I hope that you stay in this debate community you seem to be a solid and rational thinker.

 
carlodog
Jan 28, 2011
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It's all good. I understand your point of view and in a sense you are correct. However, this behavior or attitude does not reflect the teachings of the Bible. So it is hard for me to see how this applies to the debate title. In any case it would be prudent for me to show you how this behavior does not harmonize with scripture.

It may be the case that some people go to church and practice religion just to give them something to pride their selves with. If this is the case they are not following the truths of scripture, and should question their selves if they even believe at all. But true Christianity does seek to feed the hungry, comfort those in need, etc. The book of James says "faith without works is dead". Meaning that if a person is merely going to church and not helping those in need then they have a dead faith, that does not save. On the contrary if the person has a true faith that is alive, that person will help those in need.

As far as time spent in church goes. There is 168 hours in one week, the average Christian spends 2 or 3 of those hours in church. Thats not much time at all. Christians are commanded to gather together to worship God as one body. Normally this is done in a church building. The purpose is not only to worship God corporately but also to help and encourage other believers, and to teach them. Basically, equipping them with the knowledge to serve God.

Which brings me to your next question. " that's how you really honor god and his word isn't it? By helping others?" This is part of the way that a Christian honors God and His word. The average Christian has 165 hours a week to honor God by helping others. The other way that Christians honor God is to follow every detail of His word. Which also tells Christians to gather together, regularly.

Who is helped when Christians go to church? If it is a biblical church then every person is helped. First, the members of that church is helped, by each other and the public teaching a preaching of God's word. Which in turn teaches and encourages them to go out into the world and help everyone else. Any person who goes to Church in an attempt to earn their way into heaven, will most likely not be granted to right to enter heaven. The Bible is clear that salvation is by faith along, in Christ alone. Not by any good works done by the person. So if that person thinks they are gaining brownie points from God by merely attending church, they will be horribly disappointed on judgment day. Not to mention that any worship they offer in that church is not true worship, because it would not be offered in faith.

Any church that thinks they are building community spirit by merely being a church building is dead. You should read the book of James in the Bible. You may be surprised by what it teaches. I greatly respect your insights into this subject. Most of what you say truly does reflect the image and attitude that is displayed by the church in America. It hurts me admit that, but it is true. I just want you to know that it is not supposed to be that way. You asked what would Jesus do? He did attend church on the Sabbath, only it was not church is was a synagogue, where He encouraged and taught people. Much like we Christians do today in our churches. But, Jesus also helped whoever needed help, and was quick to show them compassion and love. Which is what the church is supposed to be doing. Some, the small minority still does that. Let me add just one question. What will Jesus do if they do not start to follow His example? Read Revelation 3:14-21.

Sorry for the long post. I could not say this in few words.

 


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