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Should women be allowed to go topless in public?
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dueonmaplestreet
Aug 27, 2010
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dueonmaplestreet
Aug 27, 2010
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I think that it is a taboo that we created and I think that given time it is a taboo that we can overcome. It should be argued that it is about equality. I have the right to take off my shirt and walk around the mall and nobody says a thing. Some days it is just too hot to do otherwise. If a guy walks around in public noone says anything. If a girl works at a bikini barista stand she is automatically labelled a whore and a slut.
And yes, I will admit that part of me just wants to see more breasts. The average guy that goes around public has a decent body, therefore the confidence to remove his shirt. It stands to reason that you would get to see some nice breasts occassionally. And if you want to say that this is sexist, go ahead, I know that women love a topless guy with a nice figure just as much as guys appreciate it in women.


 
scarleta
Aug 28, 2010
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Rebuttal to: teachme Show

Perhaps at first, but as the culture adjusts to it, bare chests would cease to be a distraction. There are cultures on earth today, mainly in Africa, that don't consider female breasts to need covering up, or even to be particularly arousing, and they don't have rampant mayhem as a result.

 
dueonmaplestreet
Aug 28, 2010
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I don't think that we would see that many women going topless. Unless you think that there is some trait inherent in women that would drive more of them to feel the need to go topless than men. I think there would be a couple of major factors that would dictate how many women would be found topless in any area a) geography, just as it dictates how many men go around topless I would think that it would with women. I think that there would be a higher amount of topless women found in Florida than in Washington or Alaska. B) It's a confidence thing, still. I think your average guy still prefers to wear a shirt. I rarely go topless unless I'm swimming. I think that the same would hold true of women.
I also don't think we would have to worry about topless women in the class room. In schools up until college the rules are different about freedom of speech (which is what this falls under according to my law class). Up until college the school is allowed to burden the constitutional rights to a greater degree to sort of protect students from offensive material which I'm sure people would decide topless women would fall under. I also don't think you'd find a lot of women feeling inclined to behave thusly in the classroom.
I also think that it's up to parents to teach their children the proper way to conduct themselves. I think in a couple generations topless women wouldn't seem very important if we taught our children properly. We also have the opportunity as parents to teacher our daughters self esteem so that they don't need to show off everything to feel sexy, but I still don't think that women going around topless should be considered something so wrong.

 
gumdrop
Aug 31, 2010
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Women should be allowed to go topless where ever men go topless. simple.

I tan topless all the time in france and cannot tan topless in America..it's just annoying.

everyone does it in france from 3 year olds to grandmas and the men may give you a second glance but not really full out gawking...I just don't like being denied the right to do something that the opposite sex can do based on my gender.

 
ericcartman
Aug 28, 2010
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People should have the right to be naked in public property. To force any kind of restrictions on anyone, regardless of gender, is the same as forcing a woman to wear a burka in principle.

 
dueonmaplestreet
Aug 28, 2010
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Rebuttal to: teachme Show

I don't think that this would be a concern. Social norms don't dictate that male teachers teach topless (unless it's a swim class or a lifeguard course) and I honestly don't think that it would be a problem with women teachers.

 
taylorkinsley
Aug 28, 2010
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Ok, people aren't going to like it. Horny men are going to get erections, children are going to ask questions and people are going to feel uncomfortable. However, the human body is a natural thing, and we have no more right to force someone to wear clothes than to force them to practice a certain religion. It is fundamentally a personal choice, one that cannot and should not be made for a person rather than by them. There is nothing harmful about a woman going topless in public- the only reason it has a reputation as being negative and 'disgusting' is because of the pressure of society. Remember that there was a time when it was forbidden for a woman to show her legs; today we have realised how ridiculous that is, and although a woman showing her breasts is a step further it nonetheless comes under the same principle. No one person has a right to force their ethics and beliefs on another, and this right to freedom should apply to clothing too.

 
taylorkinsley
Aug 28, 2010
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Rebuttal to: janelliebean Show

In response to your point about husbands not wanting their wives to go topless- isn't that an issue for the couple to work out themselves? It's not a good enough reason to ban women from going topless. Just because they can show their breasts, not every woman will. It's about choice. Also, your point about people not going 'running round naked like a long time ago'- that's true, but we seem to be coming round to that end of the cycle again. Once humans started wearing clothes, they covered everything up; arms, legs and necks. Nowadays it's perfectly acceptable for girls to walk around wearing crop tops and shorts, and for boys to wear no tops and shorts. If humans covered up for a reason, don't you think it's possible we're stripping off again for a reason too?

 
taylorkinsley
Aug 28, 2010
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Rebuttal to: janelliebean Show

I'm sorry, but I have to completely disagree with you. How could it be anything but their personal choice? How is it fair to impose a choice on women because of potential 'accidents'? In those cases the problem would be with those doing the harassing. If they feel a need to act inappropriately, the problem lies in them, and it is totally unjust to force a rule on women because of the respect issues of others. This is a choice that should be made by the women it concerns rather than dictated as a result of the potential actions of others.

As for your comment about non topless women being pressurized to show their body- irrelevant. Some men walk around in summer without their shirts on, but that doesn't necessarily mean that other men feel pressure to do so. If a woman wants to go topless, she should be able to. That would in no way mean that other women were pressurized to do the same.

 
gatorsf80
Aug 30, 2010
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Rebuttal to: teachme Show

I think you rather argue effectively. Yet a different approach to this debate would be, should exhibitionist (as the only people who actually would go for it, if norms, and laws were changed to allow the display in public space) choose to display in public, Why would it not be their right to do so? Aren't we all for freedom of speech, expression. There are festivals in Ukraine, which men and women go topless with Art painting on top of them. Neither of them mind, they are actually exited about the extra attention. We're talking about thousand of volunteers who are not exhibitionist but want to be come a part of new freedom movement. The freedom of expression. Ukraine is Europe, and it has religious populace as well. What they are not, are stuck-up on censorship, like most Americans ares. I think this debate is about freedom of choice and censorship, though clearly debated in a different approach by other posters.

 
gatorsf80
Aug 30, 2010
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Rebuttal to: teachme Show

Yes, it can go both ways. Yet, the difference is a choice. If one party chooses to engage in activities that are not harmful to other, than so be it. This is what freedom is all about. Some people may consider it "indecent" -- let them not watch. It's like a guilty-feeling peeping-tom who is spying on neighbors and says they are "indecent" -- well the question is, why spy on the first place? If a women is walking by with bikini, People who want to stare will stare. People who don't want to stare will not. It is after all a choice. If the women did not want people staring at her, she would not have dressed that way... Without losing too much focus, in short, we could be debating a choice over censorship. While a choice such as this might be a culture shock for some, I say let the choice be there, curtail in the beginning until people get used to idea and are desensitized by it.


P.S. I gotta say, your imagination on 2nd paragraph is awesome, you could write an erotic book... I'm serious, well written! Deserves a convincing point

 
taylorkinsley
Aug 31, 2010
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Rebuttal to: teachme Show

You seem to have a slightly warped version of human restraint.

 
atlas101
Sep 02, 2010
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Hugh Heffner has convinced women to give up most of their dignity under the deception of liberation. Why stop now. Men have everything to gain from more feminism. Any woman who doesn't work 80 hours to support her x-box playing husband's strip joint habits while she also works several hours a week on her physique to please him is setting women's rights back at least 100 years. take em off.

 
kaleb
Sep 02, 2010
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Rebuttal to: teachme Show

why are womens breasts part of their reproductive system and not mens? our nipples are arousing in the same way, and men are even able to lactate.

further, why does it matter? if its part of your reproductive system its off limits, but otherwise its fine? where did you come up with that rule?

 
kaleb
Sep 03, 2010
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Rebuttal to: teachme Show

"nobody wants to see that"
"the boys will see you"
"someone might try to hurt you, or even steal you"
"you have a special treasure, but if anyone sees it they will
take it away, and then you will never be able to have it or give it to
anyone again"
"if someone sees you, it makes them want to do bad things to you.
your body makes people bad."
"DONT TOUCH THAT"

i could go on. i am dead serious. kids think about what adults
are saying, even if adults aren't thinking about what they are
saying.

 
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dushman
Aug 28, 2010
2 convinced
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i believe this should be no but as a child going through puberty i would have argued yes yes yes... i am so turned on by boobs... to see them in public may cause some serious embaressment for me when i get an erection. keep those sacred feeding nipples concealed please.

 
teachme
Aug 30, 2010
1 convinced
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Rebuttal to: gatorsf80 Show

One thing would lead to another. If this were allowed on a regular basis, there would be no such thing as "indecent exposure." Freedom of choice conquering all censorship in this matter would allow anyone with the desire to be completely naked, be permitted to do so. After all............where do you draw the line?

Hmmm...have to wonder...if we were all allowed to be naked...would our freedom of choice extend to groping each other and copulating in the streets too...if we so "choose"? Group sex in the park...BJs in the grocery market...hair stylists going down on their "special" clients, while they are under the dryer. Hey, it would be a "free" world! :) Why be "stuck-up" on censorship, as you say....you can get the picture! ;)

 
frankiej4189
Sep 02, 2010
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Rebuttal to: dueonmaplestreet Show

I dont know what hillbilly state you live in but in Illinois you can't go into any shop, store, restaurant without a shirt on (Thank God).

Even if you go at this debate from the silly immature side of "I LIKE BOOBIES" i still wouldn't want women to be allowed topless in public. Do you really want WOMEN topless? Or do you just want hot/young college chicks topless? Ever been to a nude beach? They suck. For every perky and lovely pair, there's about 15 pairs of droopy, saggy, lopsided, misshapen, national geographic nasties.

 
kaleb
Sep 02, 2010
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Rebuttal to: teachme Show

ok. so if nudity were legal tomorrow, for hygienes sake, i would probably still wear clothes pretty much everywhere. as would, i think, most people. which is my point. there would not be raging 24/7 orgies in the streets of our neighborhoods. even without laws, there are still reasons for reasonable people to behave reasonably. society does not collapse into a new dark age, it just gets to see the occasional set of boobies. and why is that such a terrible thing? if you ask me, it is far more devastating to society to make people ashamed of their bodies than it is for them to... well, i can't really think of anything bad about not scarring people with shame, isolation, and repulsion at their own bodies.

 
teachme
Aug 27, 2010
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Rebuttal to: dueonmaplestreet Show

I'm sorry...there are times when I appreciate your angle...but this time, I find it ridiculous. Your treating a man's chest and a woman's breasts, as being pretty much, one and the same. Not that men don't get sexually aroused when their chests (and nipples) are stimulated, but are you aware that a woman's breasts are part of her reproductive system? Can you say the same for a man's chest???

To say the very least, your analogy is wayyyyy off...front and center...and yes, you're right...it is indeed flagrant with sexist undertones! You say..."It should be argued that it is about equality." ...hee hee

If that's really the case you are arguing...that things should be "equal" and we should overcome the "tabu" of not allowing women to go topless in public...we should also overcome the "tabu" of not allowing men to walk around without their underwear!

 
teachme
Aug 28, 2010
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Rebuttal to: ericcartman Show

So, you're in agreement that teachers should be allowed to teach with no top on at a public school?

 
teachme
Aug 28, 2010
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Rebuttal to: ericcartman Show

To be perfectly honest...I think most of those women rallying...are exhibitionists, looking for an excuse to flash their "perfect" boobs.

 
teachme
Aug 28, 2010
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Rebuttal to: dushman Show

Exactly...not to mention the car accidents, the "accidental" touch and feel, sexual harrassment cases...and nothing getting done in the work place. Can you imagine what mayhem!? ...What a joke!!!

 
teachme
Aug 28, 2010
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Rebuttal to: dueonmaplestreet Show

Due...Huh??? ...Your response is not clear to me, but again, as in my
rebuttal to Scarletta...we are not in Africa!

The whole idea is insane! To the both of you...just how long do you think it would take for young children...all the way up to adult students...to be okay with their female teachers being topless? ...Aint gonna happen!!!

 
teachme
Aug 28, 2010
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Rebuttal to: scarleta Show

Scarleta...Heelllooooo!!???!! Obviously...but we're not Africa, are we??? ...Wrong biome, wrong climate...AND wrong culture!!!! Even in parts of Africa, going topless is not the norm!!! Should we balance water on our heads as we walk to work too??? For some of us...that might be a bit difficult, going in and out of the subways...and I don't think the other riders would appreciate having water splashed all over them...as the subway screeches to
a hault at each station!

Bare chests would cease to be a distraction, eh? As I said to Due...the whole idea is insane! Just how long do
you think it would take for young children...all the way up to adult students...to be okay with their female teachers being topless? ...Ain't gonna happen!!!

 
janelliebean
Aug 28, 2010
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As America is a civilized group of people, I would say no. We have clothes for a reason, and covering our private areas is one of the reasons why. Males don't randomly take off their shirts, and it's usually for exercising. They don't have female-sized breasts, which are uncomfortable when running without something like a sports bra. It's none of their business for genders to want some looking of the other. For example, a husband would not enjoy seeing other men staring at his wife's chest. This is a touchy topic altogether, and absolutely inane to debate about it. There's a reason why we don't go around running naked like a long time ago, don't you think? Because America has such a diversity in cultures, some people approve and others disapprove, but there is no reason why we should change our civilized ways now.

 
janelliebean
Aug 28, 2010
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Rebuttal to: taylorkinsley Show

I agree that humans have started to show more of their bodies, but that is because it takes centuries to adjust to things. They didn't cover everything up. Have you seen cavemen? Then the Egyptians, then Roman togas. Obviously, we've been revolutionizing fashions and styles, and what's right and wrong. Men and women are different, so different parts of their bodies can be shown. Obviously, most males would want the topless females, so the non-topless ones would be pressured to showing their body, even if they feel uncomfortable, so no, it's not just their choice. What's this reason your saying that we should be stripping? So children are exposed to things in real-life that used to be inappropriate. This would make our society inbalanced, and a milennia would have to be spent, trying to find what the difference between what's inappropriate and appropriate is. How is it just an issue for the couple? There would be an increase of "accidents," and what have children been learning about harassing and touching one another?

 
teachme
Aug 28, 2010
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Rebuttal to: dueonmaplestreet Show

Due, you said: "We also have the opportunity as parents to teacher our daughters self esteem so that they don't need to show off everything to feel sexy."

Isn't that a bit of a contradiction to your argument? Do you think they would be going topless for any other reason? It might be hot out, and it might also make them feel "free," but wouldn't that be just another excuse to show their wares?

 
stof
Aug 30, 2010
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Some women already go topless in public whether it’s allowed or not, and the funny part is that they get away with it just because they are topless, so I don’t see the dilemma here it’s just a matter of choice and how wrong or right ‘the topless in public woman’ sees it, as for being topless as a topic, well this is purely a ladies subject, as for me well I’d break up instantly with any girl who would go topless in public.

 
gatorsf80
Aug 30, 2010
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Rebuttal to: teachme Show

"a woman's breasts are part of her reproductive system? Can you say the same for a man's chest??? " You are correct. However, belly buttons is part of umbilical cord. Should we set our own criteria and say, From now on, showing belly buttons is obscene, because it is a part of birthing process. Why not argue, that showing any portion of the female skin can have arousal affect for the opposite sex. Therefore it should be banned. It is not far out. This is the Radical Islamic way. While we at let's cover her face and hair, because we don't want to suggest the tiniest hint of arousal -- and while we at it, let's take her rights. It's a bit of slippery slope, but it only demonstrates the choices different societies made, and possible reasons they use for their justification. "let's hide all reproductive organs" - is a valid justification for censorship and drawing the line. However, otherwise can be argued as well. Other countries aside. If you look at American women, the clothe line follows the line of showing more skin, At the same time, movies censorship have been adapting showing more skin, and leading to more deregulation regarding the debates issue.... It's not futuristic to think that sometime in the future it may be possible to witness an event where freedom to go topless is one of the freedoms enjoyed by Americans. We already have topless and naked beaches. We have exhibitionist camps, and the younger generation of law makers gets used to idea of liberalization.

 
teachme
Aug 31, 2010
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Rebuttal to: taylorkinsley Show

Noooo...I'm just shedding light on the kinds of behaviors that could possibly play out, when you start pulling out the stops. The truth is, I don't think our society could handle it. In certain parts of Africa, it's customary, because it has been normal and natural to them for eons. I don't think we could make that transition peacefully in a flash...America, one big nudist camp...there would be too much disscord.

Part of the problem is that most men still view women strictly as sex objects...and for them, women walking around with a bare chest would be like an open invitation. Of course, some people will have restraint, but I think for the majority, it would be too much of a culture shock...and would it be worth the hassles...dealing with those who do not have restraint?

 
scarleta
Sep 01, 2010
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Rebuttal to: teachme Show

My point about Africa was simply that there are children in the world who see topless women on a regular basis and are perfectly fine. It is possible to have a stable culture in which topless women are common. If such a practice were adopted in America the only negative effects would be the result of a changing culture. Once the culture adjusted, which might take several generations, no one would mind.
Now, to be clear, I'm not advocating such a change. I honestly don't care whether women want to go topless or not, and I am certainly not advocating that it be the norm. After all, men wear shirts most of the time, and women probably would as well, even if given the option not to. I simply wanted to point out what seemed to be a flaw in your reasoning.

 
teachme
Sep 02, 2010
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Rebuttal to: kaleb Show

Men being able to lactate is certainly news to me! ...Next you're going to tell me that men are breast feeding! ...lol I didn't come up with any rules...our society has dictated that reproductive organs be clothed.

 
kaleb
Sep 02, 2010
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Rebuttal to: teachme Show

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=strange-but-true-males-can-lactate&sc=rss

not super common, but systemically male mammory tissue is identical to female mammory tissue, there is simply less of it, and we lack the capacity to bear children, which makes it a difficult phenomenon to induce (cause we don't get the crazy pregnancy hormones). the article is not the best i've ever seen on the subject, but its interesting reading. who am i kidding, its effing bizarre. like that line from hitchhikers guide... I always think the chances of finding out what really is going on are so absurdly remote that the only thing to do is to say "Hang the sense of it" and just keep yourself occupied.

anyway...

i realize that thats the rule our society came up with, but don't you think its a bit arbitrary? i don't understand how you of all people can really make the assertion "thats just eh way we do things, and theres no sense questioning it". obviously people are capable of functioning in societies with little or no clothes. why should we spend so much energy keeping people from doing something they want to do that isn't really hurting anyone and that doesn't seem, in the long run, to create any major problems for a given society. where are you coming from on this?

 
kaleb
Sep 02, 2010
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Rebuttal to: teachme Show

really, teachme. thats a pretty sloppy slippery slope to stoop to.

 
teachme
Sep 02, 2010
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Rebuttal to: kaleb Show

People walking around nude would definitely be a potential health hazard. Too many people have STDs today and are unaware of it. Certain strains of venereal viruses, like HPV, are asymptomatic, and there is presently no test for men. It can be sitting on a person's leg even, never mind their genitals, and go unnoticed. I might as well add, that genital herpes can also be transmitted, even during the so called "dormant stage." If a person who had it...just sat down where you placed your naked butt...guess what?!? ...You'd be "free" to get it too! ;)



 
teachme
Sep 02, 2010
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Lolol...gotta give one to ya...that was funny...but don't forget the "droopy, saggy, lopsided, misshapen" scrotoms too! ...hee hee

 
teachme
Sep 03, 2010
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Rebuttal to: kaleb Show

So, are you trying to say that covering your boobs amounts to: "scarring people with shame, isolation, and
repulsion at their own bodies." ...Hardly! ...lol ...You're losing it now, Kaleb. Leave something for the imagination, for crying out loud! ...geezzz!!!


 
teachme
Sep 05, 2010
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Rebuttal to: ericcartman Show

Totally disagree! People running around naked would be inviting the spread of all kinds of diseases, venereal and otherwise. ...It's just not safe, nor hygienic. It would be considered a health hazard.

 
swtlilsoni
Sep 06, 2010
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Rebuttal to: kaleb Show

The terrible thing is it's just going to make women be seen and treated as pieces of meat even more. You're "I want to see hot boobs" line is a perfect example of the very reason we SHOULDN'T be walking around displaying our "goodies" so guys can get off.

And no, people are not ashamed of their bodies. The reason we cover our bodies is because of privacy. That isn't insulting to our bodies, it actually is treating them with more respect and more special.

 
swtlilsoni
Sep 06, 2010
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Rebuttal to: ericcartman Show

People have the right to be naked in private property, not public. Because when it becomes public, it affects others.

 
teachme
Sep 06, 2010
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Rebuttal to: kaleb Show

Kaleb...what exactly is your point...and do you really think girls and women going topless is going to change all that?! I don't know of any young girls, or women, for that matter...who hate their bodies...and I don't think there is anything wrong with teaching young girls, at an early age, to protect themselves!

 
frankiej4189
Sep 07, 2010
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Rebuttal to: teachme Show

Unfortunatley i'll NEVER forget the scrotoms...never

 
magdebatetayo
Sep 08, 2010
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Women should not be walking topless in public because it makes any man's orgasm arouse. Lust is a sin, just look a woman with lust and you make sin. Women(also men), even on liberated countries, should be kept pure until God and the society have appointed them to go beyond. Pure water doesn't only mean lacking of dirt-purity is not the absence of sexual experience but the presence of holiness and mystery. And I think, for a woman walking topless in pubic is already an act of washing away purity because she made the mystery vulgar and already unpersonal.

 
james67
Jan 19, 2011
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If women can walk around topless, i want to walk about with my cock out.

 
ptbqatari
Dec 15, 2011
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hello every one
i am with freedom in anyplace and anywhere but there are limits
if women want to be topless in any place , there must be a permission to do that ,not mentioning that in some religious countries its not allowed for women to show a part of their bodies ,
wouldnt it be important to know why the women want to be topless, if they want to be topless , let them be in their own property not in public , you cant imagine the amout of people who will be disscusted of seeing them, anyway the point is i dont agree on women to be topless in public


 


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