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Dropping bombs on Hiroshima and Nagassaki saved million of lives
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gatorsf80
Aug 24, 2010
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Yes, defintly saved lives


atlas101
Aug 26, 2010
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So this is a learn from history thing? Hmmm thought it was a bash the dead white protestant male president thing like it usually is. Well, not much to learn except war will always be filled with decisions made in crunch time lines without complete data or historical precedence. What we can actually learn is that we have fewer people who are able to make hard decisions and stick to it under these conditions.

 
gatorsf80
Aug 24, 2010
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It saved million of lives from having to fight land base combat, the majority of lives saved were to be Japanese.

 
gatorsf80
Aug 25, 2010
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Summing your argument. Japan is Naval Power, not so much Army power. Japan was going to resign anyways.
Japan would not have fought the two armies, despite the imperial propaganda. USA only nuked Japan to keep Soviets away. These arguments are all sound, however on the interpretations we differ.

Japan proven it can fight land battles, even though not as effectively against Allies and Soviets (it is how they conquered south east Asia). Kept Russian advances before WW2, which led to series of events of disposing last Russian Czar. Furthermore, Japanese landscape provides a natural defensive slope, prolonging the battle and increasing the casualty rates for attackers...

Japan did not plan to fight Russians, they had an agreement, which Soviets broke and got Japanese by surprise. Both USA & Allies, Japan had plans for conflict before nukes changed their plans. It took two nukes, and Russian invasion for Japan to realize its chances. It's very unlikely that without the nukes, they would have resigned. Casualty numbers were expected in millions, with more heavily casualty on Japan side. If we did not nuke'em we would have carpet bombed japan, that would have caused higher numbers of death


 
atlas101
Aug 26, 2010
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Doesn't matter. It ended the war. No one was surrendering. Still had Japanese soldiers holding their posts in forgotten islands 50 years after the war and nobody told them. How about a better idea. Let's open up every tough decision you have made for public consumption so you can hear how wrong they all were. can the 20/20 hindsight self righteous garbage.

 
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No. You're joking, right?


halachuinic
Aug 24, 2010
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Initially, it is important to note that Japan was a naval power, not an army power. Next, by the time the atomic bombs were dropped on Japan, constant American bombing had dropped Japan's industrial production in nearly half. Additionally, Japan's navy and air force were in rags--incapable of preventing sustained bombings and incapable of fighting U.S. naval power head on. Lastly, constant civilian bombings caused numerous deaths and food shortages in the mainland. In other words, the Japanese were in the exact same situation that the Germans were in after the Battle of the Bulge. Completely annihilated on one side, facing a ever-growing threat on the other (the battle-hardened Red Army joined the Pacific Theater days before the U.S. dropped the bomb and easily wiped out the Japanese troops in Manchuria). Lacking food, rest, political stability, and depending on wholly untrained and unfit citizens to scrap together an army and navy, the Japanese--like the Germans--were in no position whatsoever to fight a large scale invasion. Like Germany, they would have capitulated. The only reason that the U.S. nuked Japan is because the U.S. awoke to Cold War reality and feared a Soviet presence in the Far East. The Soviet Union refused to alleviate its grip over Eastern Europe, and the U.S. no longer wanted the U.S.S.R.'s hands in Japan. You might think that this was a political savvy move, even if morally despicable. But saying that the Japanese would give the two best armies in the world (both now battle tested and experienced) a real battle by throwing children and senior citizens consists of a rationalization. True, Japan propaganda indicated that the Japanese mainland was ready to fight American troops tooth and nail, but any intelligence would have clearly shown that the starving population had become seditious, clearly not believing the government's claim that the Americans would surrender anyday when America--at its whim--bombed Japanese cities into oblivion.

 
halachuinic
Aug 26, 2010
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?

Yeah, why learn from history? Why have rational discourse? F it; let's all just shut down this entire website. Heck close down every forum that judges others' actions--even our own country. We might never learn anything--new perspectives, new facts, new ideas--but we can at least say we're not judging lest we be judged ourselves.

 
halachuinic
Aug 27, 2010
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LOL

 


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