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Would you steal an expensive drug to save your loved one or conform with the rules and regulations of this world and let your lover die?
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shinbum
Jul 15, 2010
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I will steal anything to save my loved one.


thales
Jul 16, 2010
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How expensive is the medicine? How dangerous is my loved one's illness? Will the medicine cure it, or just control it? How long will they need to take the medicine? How certain am I that the medicine will even work for this individual? Is my loved one without health insurance, or is the company refusing to pay? If they're refusing, then why? Is the treatment experimental? Potentially dangerous? How is it that we've been unable to raise the money to pay for the medicine on our own? Even if my loved one is a hermit, I'm certainly not: I could raise a pretty impressive sum just by needing it. And that doesn't even cover the possibilities of corporate donors, pro bono meds from the drug company, lobbying my elected officials for price caps to make the medicine more affordable...how can I possibly have no option but to steal it? And whom am I stealing it from? Is it directly from the manufacturer, or from a hospital? High price often equals limited supply; is it possible that someone else's loved one won't get treated because of my actions?

Seriously: life is not a Victor Hugo novel.

 
jonjax71
Jul 16, 2010
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To save the life of my wife of 35 plus years, for my son or daughter, and for either one of my 3 grand daughters, i would gladly serve time or face whatever other consequences I may be subjected to if I was forced to rob, steal, burglarize, confiscate or whatever necessary to obtain the medicine(s) to save a life. Naturally, I would explore every option to obtain the goos without commiting a criminal offense, but if all else fails, Yes, I'll resort to other courses of action without hesitation

 
shinbum
Jul 15, 2010
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Please feel free to consider other downsides you may face if you steal the drug, other than just going to jail. You could get shot during the process, you may have to kill the pharmacist(drug dealer), etc. I would love to hear from you all. Thank you very much.

 
randora
Jul 15, 2010
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Here's what you need to consider.
Which is more important to you
1) The life of a loved one
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2) A little jail time.
Even if the drug is expensive you would probably be away for a few months at most.

 
randora
Jul 15, 2010
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Sure, there are other consequences, Maybe people think I'm a thief. Maybe there's a mean dog guarding the medicine.
Really, who cares? You'd have to be pretty selfish to allow a preventable death just because you are afraid of some inconvenient consequences.

I'm assuming in this scenario we've exhausted every honest method to get this method. Theft is pretty far down on the list of immoral acts when compared to letting someone die.

 
randora
Jul 17, 2010
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OK, lets assume you are correct and I get 2-5 years.
Really, this doesn't matter because the death of a loved one is a lot longer than 2-5 years.

As far as the job is concerned, I'm self employed and make a good living.
None of my clients have ever asked me if I were a felon. I doubt it would ever come up.
If I went to prison I wouldn't be too concerned about if I'd be willing to hire myself back afterward.

 
kbk
Aug 17, 2010
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Personally, I would fight the police or anyone else off just to save someone who I love.. I will be going into law solely to help people fight the messed up laws we have nowadays and bring justice back. The laws are all very paranoid and unfair rules set to keep our society sheltered and what the government considers "safe." Sometimes we need to rebel as humans and listen to our gut, rather than a law enforcement team.. This situation is a beautiful example of when to stand up for yourself and those you love, and go against the law.

 
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I cannot risk this because I could go to jail and may not be able to see my loved one and die in a p


shinbum
Jul 15, 2010
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Now, consider this question in your heart as you type your opinion down:

Just how far can love of a human being go?

 
shinbum
Jul 15, 2010
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Have you considered other consequences that may be on your door as I mentioned at the top? No offense, but I was expecting more of an explanation for your argument.

 

Jul 16, 2010
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Your last line sold your argument for me :)

 
jonjax71
Jul 16, 2010
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***High price often equals limited supply***

I learned the law of supply & demand in a creative manner that like me, I am sure all other 30 some odd students in my business class still remember well 41 years later. back in my senior year of HIGH skool, I had a great business teacher who liked mixing in politics & philosophy into his creative teaching methods. Once he explained the law of supply & demand in this manner, "let's pretend that a helicopter dropped 20 kilos of pot on campus, what do you think will happen if you tried to sell a 1oz bag at its nromal $10(1969 prices), well you couldn't get anything for it because pot was everywhere for free, no demand because of large supply. . Now, take your kilo and stash it for 6 months and then when the supply has run out bring it back with a new price tag, $30 or #40 for a 1oz bag, well you'll sell like hot bread, brisk demand and little supply.

The biznez teacher had other great scenarios for business lessons including using other street and hustling themes to hold students attention and have us learn. Needless to say after one year he was fired as the heriachy and some student's parents didn't subscribe to his very effective teaching methods

 
shinbum
Jul 16, 2010
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That really is yours to decide, since I wanted to see how far people were willing to take this in gravity. If you read my profile, the topic was never about which side is better.

 
frankiej4189
Jul 17, 2010
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"Few months at most"???????

Based on what criminal justice knowledge are you proclaiming this?

Fairly certain that in order to steal a medicine that is life-saving you'd have to break/sneak in to a hospital or research facility. Fairly certain that doing so is trespassing. Fairly certain that if its a government sponsered research facility its a felony to break in and steal. Fairly certain even if its NOT a government sponsered facility its a felony to break in and steal high value medicine.

Felony Theft gets you 2-5 years. After that, you're a convincted felon, meaning it is almost impossible to get a real job and support yourself or the loved one you stole for.

Fairly certain you're severely undercutting the consequences of your hypothetical actions

 
Rashon Miller
Sep 17, 2012
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It would be pointless you are not guaranteed that your loved one would not die thereafter of natural causes or car accident or any other misfortune the loved one as well as yourself have already subscribed with the rules and regulations of the land and the consequences that come with such, if you had not maybe you should have been stealing enough money beforehand to not be confronted with such misfortune

 


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