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The Obama-Hitler-Lenin Billboard: Racist or just Moronic?
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frankiej4189
Jul 14, 2010
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This Billboard was Racist


thales
Jul 16, 2010
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How about instead of debating whether or not the billboard is racist (which, again, no one actually seems to be claiming), we debate whether or not it is moronic.

I'll hop in and vote "yes" right off the bat....

 
thales
Jul 14, 2010
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I read your article about the NCAAP accusing the Tea Party of racism, and I read the linked article at the bottom about the billboard controversy, but other than the Tea Party coming off rather badly in both I fail to see any indication that the two events are linked. Is there some other article connecting the two?

 
thales
Jul 14, 2010
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Okay...but nowhere in that article does it say that anyone is calling the billboard "racist." So it kind of feels like you're arbitrarily combining two separate events and then arguing that they don't belong together. Did I make more sense this time? :-)

 
thales
Jul 14, 2010
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Just because the billboard was taken down on the same day that the NCAAP deliberated and debated and ultimately decided to warn its members against racist elements within the Tea Party doesn't mean that the events are related. As you say, there's nothing especially racist about the billboard...and no one seems to be saying that there is, either.

A political party can be both moronic and racist, you know--and they don't have to display both qualities in every action they take for both to be offensive to civilized people.

 
frankiej4189
Jul 15, 2010
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First post dude..

"This debate shouldn't be about whether or not the message was correct or not (although i dont think anyone can actually argue Obama is turning the US into Nazi Germany) but whether or not the Billboard is Racist."

 
lyagami
Jul 22, 2010
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Your argument seems to imply that any situation where a people are searching for "hope and change" will ultimately subvert the needs of the people betraying them to the rule of the corrupt, maligned, or politically deranged. That would be a heck of a pessimistic view, that all choices made in a time of need are the wrong choices. Plus it seems to be over simplifying the matter that all three figures came about when their countries were looking for the services of such figures as the only common link between them. As far as the current administration goes I think many conservatives view Obama's unpopularity outside of their political party in the wrong manner. There are just as many people out there unhappy with Obama because he is not forcing as much legislation or liberal idealism into the political arena as there are conservatives opposed to such actions. In this case the fact that both parties are unhappy with Obama doesn't unite them under a single unified banner, they would be just as happy punching each other than ragging on Obama or any other figurehead. Unfortunately, in a representative democracy someone, somewhere, is going to be pissed at you if you represent them because you don't mirror their ideology exactly, or because your are the antithesis of their political beliefs. As far as the billboard goes it is simply Moronic, aren't there better things to do or more important causes to worry about than trolling the nation?

 
frankiej4189
Jul 24, 2010
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Do you really think the US was "at its weakest" or "decimated" prior to Obama being elected? Sure, we just endured 8 years of crappola from Bush and had no legit Democratic opposition to change things up, we just entered a recession, and we were on the tail end of a tremendously costly war.

But the pathetic ongoings in washington the last 8 years and the recession..well those things tend to come and go frequently. Certainly not equivalent to anything Germany or Russia had to go through prior to Lenin and Hitler.

Even the Iraq war which has claimed thousands and thousands of lives, injured tens of thousands more, and costed Trillions of dollars, as much of a sacrifice the brave and bold made and are making for our country, that war is still being fought over seas. That war isn't destroying our homeland and our way of life. Are you really comparing the Iraq/Afghanistan war (which is fought across an ocean in someone else's country) to a CIVIL war? To World War 1?

You dont give the American people enough credit sir. These things we are dealing with now are bad, but certainly not devastating to our nation's survival.

 
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This Billboard was not Racist, just really stupid


frankiej4189
Jul 14, 2010
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100714/ap_on_re_us/us_naacp_tea_party

Forgot to make it a News story. For those of you too lazy to read the article, a bunch of tea party members in Iowa have been sniffing the Glen Beck glue for too long and they decided to put up a Billboard directly comparing Obama's "Change" to the change of Hitler and Lenin.

This debate shouldn't be about whether or not the message was correct or not (although i dont think anyone can actually argue Obama is turning the US into Nazi Germany) but whether or not the Billboard is Racist.

I personally cant stand the NAACP for precisely these reasons. Whenever someone says something bad about Obama its automatically racist. Total crap in my opinion.

 
frankiej4189
Jul 14, 2010
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Sorry but i dont understand your misunderstanding : )

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38244427

Thats the original article if it helps.



 
frankiej4189
Jul 14, 2010
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Hahah yes but i still think you're wrong ; )

First lines of the article..."Leaders of the country's largest civil rights organization accused tea party activists on Tuesday of tolerating bigotry and approved a resolution condemning racism within the political movement."

Maybe they dont directly say its racist but isn't that what they're implying when they say "...on Tuesday (when the Billboard was taken down) of tolerating bigotry and approved a resolution condemning RACISM..."?


 
porternc
Jul 14, 2010
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NAACP, Isn't that the same group that thinks astronomical terms are racist?

 
mbauer
Jul 15, 2010
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This debate is wholly incomplete in that it assumes noone would be in agreement with the message presented. While I don't agree with the presentation and the comparisons, I must voice my disagreement with this debate. I am of the opinion that this current administration leans dangerously towards socialism. The fundamental argument here may be whether or not you believe that is a negative political leaning.

Bottom line...I won't vote on a debate over whether red or green apples are better than oranges. Cause I like oranges.

 
mbauer
Jul 15, 2010
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Yes, frankie, that is what the debate should be about. Simply is it or is it not racist. Remove from the debate that it is stupid and you have a legitimate debate. As for the Obama administrations effect on the US and the world as a whole, that is another debate entirely.

 

Jul 15, 2010
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It is neither, it is politics. Some people *points at self* realize that the current road Obama has taken us down are similar roads to tyranny and dictatorships. So depending on who you are, the billboard has a different effect.

 
jonjax71
Jul 16, 2010
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Anything involving Obama can be turned into a racist issue, that's the way of the USA. IMO, although there may be a tinge of racism in the billborad message, if everything remains the same, all the events of the past 2 years in this administration, I believe those that posted that billboard sill would have done it. Curiously, the vast majority of the members of the billboard organization have come out against it, apparently it was unauthorized and it's the views of a very small faction within that group

 
jonjax71
Jul 16, 2010
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I have never been a fan of the NAACP founded by in part by non-whites and conservative minded Negros, for over 100 years or so have been less than spectacular

 
larryt700
Jul 17, 2010
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I disagree! Those who know history know how Hitler came into power. Hitler came into power when Germany was at its weakest and after a depression, worse than our depression and the Germans were looking for 'hope and change.'

Lenin came into power after a civil war when the country was dessimated and that too, even though he was a dictator and there was not much of a democratic selection process; even still the country was in need of 'hope and change.'

So, if you look at history and how countries become stupid and make idiotic decisions simply out of frustration with the current status quo.

Now that the country has chosen obama and now realizes that he was a huge mistake, I think those comparisons are pretty valid and are indicative of the people's view of this current administration.

 
larryt700
Jul 24, 2010
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YES! I think this country was at its weakest and still is. Seriously! Just take a look from the outside in.... We fall for crap like global warming, which was global cooling in the seventies and the ozone layer depletion which is and was total BS! You know for CFC's to reach the Ozone layer, that would be tantamount to a fifty pound weight floating on top of the ocean.... They are just too damn heavy to reach that far! It is simple science but this country has fallen for every single scam and MORE-SO in recent years. I totally would not be surprised if WE did not elect another hitler based on our stupidity! SERIOUSLY! We have people known as liberal in this country who LOVE, LOVE, LOVE fidel castro, hugo chavez and muslim hitler in Iran, Ahmadinejad.... Seriously!

We got people that hate this country living in this country and IT IS BEING SOCIALLY ACCEPTED BY PEOPLE WITHIN THIS COUNTRY, so how in the world could you even think that this country is strong?

You think it makes much difference where a war is fought? Obama is KEEPING us in the recession! Obama is a huge problem and a detriment to this country. Slams Isreal for inspecting a ship but says NOTHING to North Korea? Embraces Ahmadinejad..... Uhm... Where did that get us? Yeah! Shutting down oil production in the Gulf altogether, which will send ALL oil production overseas.... The guy is a blithering IDIOT and cannot run anything! He is still playing amateur, goes out and points fingers, slamming the Republicans and then says it's their fault for no bi-partisanship???? ARE YOU FREAKIN SERIOUS! The guy is an idiot! Then to have Shirley Sherrod fired without knowing the facts, the Chicago police officer who detains the professor and.... Just too much crap to note.... The guy has lost faith in his own party, not even mentioning the blame game, lack of ANYTHING on the oil spill. It is just plain pathetic!

Yet, you tout that the Iraq war is not destroying our homeland? Wake up and look around you and quit being blind. What is the difference between your house going up in flames and your house being foreclosed upon. Hundreds of thousands of Americans are physically losing everything they own and you are saying that our homeland is not being destroyed??? Please tell me you are not that naive!

 


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