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Nixon was Good.
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cactus33
Jul 02, 2010
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cactus33
Jul 02, 2010
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Despite the watergate scandal, Nixon's presidency saw a number of great political successes, primarily, the detente with China and the USSR, remembered by the radical and extremely succesful visit to China in 1972.

I believe that Nixon should be remembered for his successes, as many other presidents have also been. Without his momentous visit to China in 1972, the vietnam war would not have ended when it did. China would still be ostracized within the international community, and Taiwan would still be gaining the unjustified support it recieved (and still does) today. The cold war may not have ended if not for Nixon, who, in seeking normalised relations with China, put the USSR on the defensive and this can be attributed to its failure.

In short, if not for nixon, the world would be a different place, yes, he had his shortfalls, but ultimately, his presidency was succesful in my opinion.

 
cactus33
Jul 03, 2010
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"Nixon is probably the most liberal Republican president we've ever had." - thats true, and I also think that he was the best Republican the US has ever had.

I'm also glad that people concede that he is inderrated, and that you don't place much empasis on the watergate scandal.

"but his ultimate flaw was sacrificing his principles too early for short-term political advantage", I feel that this was his single greatest attribute. Every president (except bush!) has to an extent some political and intelligent prowess, otherwise they wouldn't necessarily have made the job.

This 'spur of the moment' kind of radical diplomacy was exactly what enabled him to get to china. If not for the oppertunism then the west wouldn't have detente with China today.

"sacrificing his principles " - well, he dropped the biased and extremely foolish ideals which presidents before him had advocated - that Taiwan was the one to support, not china. He truly was a maverick in more ways than one. This [great] sacrifice of principle lead to an extremely long term effect! which was extremely good and beneficial for the world!

 
greybear
Jul 04, 2010
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Nixon played a pivotal role in the devlopment of civil rights in initiating wide-spread desegregation of the US school system. Beyond this, he set up biracial committees to ensure that this was done not only to the letter of the law but that the spirit behind this initiative was maintained. By this I mean that not only was he pushing forward desgregation, but also ensuring that this was not a token effort, and that the quality of education being improved in these environments as well. In a similar vein Nixon also signed the first law preventing gender discrimination in schools.

 
anarchies
Jul 04, 2010
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Ok, so I want to run this case as a value criteria on the basis of presidency. This begs the question, "What makes a presidency good?" The current debate is primarily over Nixon's presidency and whether or not it was a good one. I am going to treat a "good presidency" as one that has brought more good than harm to the world. Richard Nixon is often criticized for the Watergate Scandal, where he attempted to get his hands early on the upcoming US elections. Obviously this was a bad move on Nixon's part and was a direct hit to how Americans view themselves as a democratic society. However, I find it hard to believe that Nixon, as much of a "crook" he seems to be, can be labeled a "bad" president. Putting aside the conspiracy of the Watergate Scandal (which never got to a trial/verdict btw), Nixon has led a pretty successful presidency in my opinion. LBJ, Nixon's predecessor, got America into the nasty business of the Vietnam War. It was Nixon that fought hard to end the war with Vietnam and get the troops home safely. Nixon, being the strict authoritative figure that he was, succeeded in ending the Vietnam War and thus getting our country's good side back--for many countries, esp. in eastern Asia, disliked America's actions in the war in Vietnam (ie. Napalm, Me lai Massacre, etc). On top of that, Nixon's constant meetings with China established a relationship between the two despite their differences. This was another lead into ending the Vietnam War, but it also marked the end of the Cold War all together when negotiations came to Communist Party China and USSR. Nixon was good at negotiating and played smart. Without his leadership and authority, the world as we know it today would cease to exist. I think it's hard to see many harms in Nixon's presidency. He obviously brought a lot of good to the world in ending the Vietnam/Cold Wars. In light of that, Nixon read in history textbooks as a "fairly good president" to say the least because he has indeed done much, much good for America and the world.

 
jonjax71
Jul 06, 2010
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A republican of the 19th century is not the same as one of the same 'stripe" in the 20th or 21st century, the same for democrats, the party lines have changed quite a bit, regardless IMO, be it republican, democrat, independent, whig, liberterian, etc they're just different labels for the same thing, politician, a different collar for the same old dirty pig.

 
jonjax71
Jul 07, 2010
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Talk about calling the kettle black, you have used the same rebuttal argument several times for a variety of subjects and posts

 
atlas101
Aug 26, 2010
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Nixon was a good president but unattractive and unsavory. In America it is better to be truly evil, useless and beautiful that to do good work and contribute to the solution while being ugly. Oops. I guess he was bad.

 
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rebirth
Jul 02, 2010
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I am inclined to agree that Nixon is underrated.

I don't put as much emphasis on scandals as most people do because, first of all, there were probably worse presidential scandals that we don't know about, and Watergate did little real harm to the country compared to all the press it got.

I agree that Nixon was an intelligent and politically skilled man. but his ultimate flaw was sacrificing his principles too early for short-term political advantage, like he did with the wage and price freezes, which were failures.

Nixon is probably the most liberal Republican president we've ever had.

 
jonjax71
Jul 02, 2010
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Let me make one thig perfectly clear, Nixon was not a crook.

 
larryt700
Jul 04, 2010
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I think Abraham Lincoln was the best republican president we have ever had.

 
rebirth
Jul 04, 2010
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When I said that Nixon sacrificed his principles to early for political advantage, I wasn't referring to his visit to China, which I strongly approve of. I was referring to his left-wing economic policies such as his wage and price freezes which were a failure.


 
larryt700
Jul 06, 2010
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Yeah! You keep saying that to yourself over and over and over again and someday, you might believe it to be true! Democrats are the same! They are the same racists that they were when they started the Klan. They are the same as when they put down Republicans for putting blacks in office. They are the same!!!!

 
1998
Sep 14, 2010
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It was his impulse that made him do these things. Even if you think they had a positive effect, Nixon was not a good president just because he got lucky on that. I think the real issue was his "sacrifice of principle". China was the one to support, and yet you think it was Taiwan.

I know you're all tired of hearing about this, but then we have the Watergate scandal. He violated the law, for starters. He lied about it later, and though it didn't do that much damage, this is just one of the few things we know about; with an emphasis on the "know", because I assume we only discover a few of these. Overall, I think you're just looking at his flaws in a different way, and forgetting that they're still flaws.

 


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