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Should Muslims be allowed to build mosques in America?
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ahmed71
Jun 19, 2010
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Yes, America is built on freedom of religion


cmh0114
Jun 25, 2010
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So, by this, you are saying that Islam is not an "American" religion? Neither is Christianity, or Judaism, or Buddhism, or even paganism. All originated in foreign nations long before America was even conceptualized. Just because something is not American does not mean that we shouldn't be able to use/participate in it. For example, football (in the US, soccer) is not an American sport. But we (the US) are in the World Cup. In fact, everything in America has been derived off of some other country's culture. The United States of America, as they are today, are a product of derivations and modifications of other countries' cultures.
Even besides that, America was based on the principle of religious freedom. The Founding Fathers, arguably some of the most important men in history, decided that religious freedom was central to the idea of a man's freedom. And now you claim that they were wrong, based on your analysis of a "non-American" idea?

If you tell me which religion you believe in, I guarantee that I can find several examples of where your religion has not been "firmly structured onto [its] own lands." Every religion has done it, and it is the main point of religion - to spread what it sees as the truth. All the religions above have done it, especially Christianity and Judaism. Relgion will spread and spread as far as it can go, having no regard for who owns the land.

 
thales
Jun 28, 2010
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Since a large number of Americans are also Muslims, your argument that mosques belong on "their own lands" sounds like an excellent argument for mosques on American soil.

 
marissaniccolee
Jun 27, 2010
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freedom of religion.
we are not stopping any one else. why should this be any different

 
cmh0114
Jun 27, 2010
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Can you please do that for this case? I'm interested to know what you wanted to say.

 
ahmed71
Jun 19, 2010
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practicing a religion is protected in America by the constitution. then yes they are allowed to build their mosques

 
andyl5146
Jun 19, 2010
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while I think that them trying to build one ground zero in new york is a little disrespectful, I do agree that they have the right to build mosques here in the states.

 
ahmed71
Jun 20, 2010
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Usually the ones who want to build a mosque in America are American citizens.

 
ericcartman
Jun 20, 2010
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What about nationalized legal immigrants? Immigrants who have earned their citizenship lawfully have just the same amount of rights as do national-born.

If you think legal immigrants do deserve the right to build mosques, you are stupid. The Constitution of the United States allows for the right of all legal residents to establish their own property and build what they want on it.

 
twinkleturnip
Jun 23, 2010
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So then is freedom of religion a right which is *given* to us by the federal government, rather than by God?

 
twinkleturnip
Jun 25, 2010
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Provided that a non-us Muslim follows all the regulations you would expect from any foriegn group to own and build on American soil, I do not see how a mosque is any different than, say, Dow from building a chemical plant, or any other foriegn group wishing to conduct either secular or religious functions in the US. Any restrictions on any individual soley due to their religious expression is clearly unconstitutional.

 
cmh0114
Jun 25, 2010
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I don't understand your point here. You are saying that Muslim visitors to this country should not be able to build a mosque. Well, surprise, they can't, nor can any visitor to the US just decide to build a random building on a given site. However, I do agree with you that we should all be grateful for the rights we have to practice freedom of religion and freedom of opinion.

 
cmh0114
Jun 27, 2010
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Please explain what you really meant, then. If you use proper grammar and structure, it will make it a lot easier for others to understand.

 
jrhodes451
Jul 07, 2010
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@andyl5146 I don't see the disrespect in putting a mosque near ground zero of 9/11... There's a difference between radical and traditional Muslims, just as there is a difference between radical and traditional Christians, and I'm sure they didn't stop building cathedrals in Spain after The Inquisition


 
jrhodes451
Jul 07, 2010
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We aren't, and cannot be, talking about visiting Muslims interested in building mosques here in the US. Mosques, just like churches, need geographically-fixed perpetually-replenishing congregations in order to build and maintain a place of worship. So, I agree with you... these American citizens that want to build mosques in their communities (and, let's face it, in America the term 'community' is extremely broad) should respect the first amendment of The Constitution and build them!

 
milsaw
Jul 16, 2010
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Not only should they build them, the government should pay for them with tax dollars

 
convincemeadmin
Jan 08, 2011
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ur a nut
the end

 
convincemeadmin
Jan 08, 2011
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so ur saying churches can only be in Rome, Buddhists can only be in China and Tibet, and Cults should be allowed to mushroom all over North America? Also I don't find Mosques intimidating, but a lovely piece of architecture. It is illogical to push ur ideals over the ideals of the community.

 
theudas
Jan 09, 2011
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Either Muslims get to worship in America or No religion is allowed, which would go against your constitution.

 
theudas
Jan 09, 2011
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Either Muslims get to worship in America or No religion is allowed, which would go against your constitution.

 
theudas
Jan 09, 2011
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Either Muslims get to worship in America or No religion is allowed, which would go against your constitution.

 
cmh0114
Jan 16, 2011
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Believe me, my friend, the presence of lilliputian words doesn't assist if you persist in your erroneous grammatical structure and poorly-conceived arrangement of unimaginative thoughts.

What do you mean "if the muslims (sic) are paying a reasonable price..."? The government does not pay for any religious buildings to be built. If you believe otherwise, please provide a link to a government budget document that is clearly marked to have paid for a mosque.

As for Britain, that has nothing to do with this debate. Hitler was a horrible person. Relevance? None (excepting Godwin's Law).

"People don't know when to stop..." -- Stop what? Stop the government from paying for religious institutions? They don't. Stop Muslims from practicing their religion in America? You might as well throw out the entire Constitution, and the Declaration of Independence along with it.

Before you post again, find some solid facts to back up what you're saying. Or at least make your argument logical. Otherwise, don't even bother.


 
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No, they can't build mosques without the approval of the people


porternc
Jun 19, 2010
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What people?

 
goodevil
Jun 20, 2010
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If you are talking about American Muslims yes, they are Americans, they have the right to practice their religion on their “country”, if you are talking about immigrants or foreigners, no they do not have the right, it’s not their country, they are just visitors they are not Americans. They should respect the laws in that country as they are. It’s that simple.

 
conduction
Jun 25, 2010
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Muslims shouldn't bequeath their faiths and religions, onto American territory. They do not have the right, to allow their religion, to step over a restriction, just because their religions don't initiate to the American people. Mosques should, and by all means, be firmly structured onto their own lands, because Muslim religion, in no way, belongs to America, and thus, there is no need for the conception of miscarriage. Some people do not realize the immoral put into this. It's plain, teaching, and simple. Build your religion, onto your own area, not deriving other peoples, for a intimidating building, that doesn't belong there in the slightest.

 
goodevil
Jun 21, 2010
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I usually don’t reply to people who during arguing say “you are stupid”, but stupid is what stupid does, no offense it’s just my nature to be unsympathetic sometimes, I’m not so sure how not simple my previous statement is, but I’m sure it’s not complicated at all. It’s so simple if you are a countryman (a national born or not), you have civil rights, just as in the constitution, you can vote, you’re free to practice your own religion, that is democracy, and of course it’s illogical to build a building when you are not the landlord or if you don’t have the landlord’s agreement, simply because it’s against the law. As for nationalized legal immigrants well they have more rights of being Americans than some national born ones, they deserved to be Americans, and even if I don’t have to remind you of this, except for the Native Americans, the rest are all immigrants somehow, that is America.
And as long as we are speaking about being an American the rest is just details, so I really find it weird (on a racism scale) that you rank Americans in a nationalized legal immigrants and a national born ones, they are all Americans and that is bigger that the other details.


 
twiztidkilla
Jun 21, 2010
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no they shouldnt cuz they r all terrorists fuk em

 
twiztidkilla
Jun 21, 2010
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no they shouldnt cuz they r all terrorists fuk em

 
goodevil
Jun 24, 2010
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you are free to warship whatever you want, if you are a part of a community you have the right to build mosques churches, temples… because you belong to that community, if you are an American Muslim, you have the right to do that in America, if you are a guest (not American) but living the USA, you’ll have to respect the community’s culture, and so should Americans when they go visit that guest’s country, you can’t go to Afghanistan as a guest an just build a church there if the afghans didn’t allow you to, it’s their land, but if an afghan wanted to build one he should be able to do that because his government should allow him the freedom of religion (which isn’t the case unfortunately), which brings us to the government part, Voltaire said : ”It is dangerous to be right in matters where established government is wrong.”, so be grateful that you have a right as a citizen to practice you own religion, in some countries that right doesn’t even exist.

 
conduction
Jun 26, 2010
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No, you merely stated your own opinions onto my story, which is highly irrelevant to the matter at hand. What bilge you stated, I don't know why. But I respect your facts, and your own belief.

 
conduction
Jun 27, 2010
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I shall, of course, use it more clearly when I rebuttal you again on something. Thank you for the advice.

 
goodevil
Jul 09, 2010
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i have no idea why you replied to me, it seems to me,according to what you wrote, that we are on the same page here, unless i didn't get what you meant, did i? if i didn't sorry about that, and please re-explain.

 
sweetcontradiction
Sep 07, 2010
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Immigrants shouldn't apply to be citizens if they do not agree to the terms then. They should go into a country fully aware of that society's standards, beliefs, traditions and values, if they disagree with it, why the hell do they want to be citizens in the first place?

 
conduction
Jan 09, 2011
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There is a lot more to that. If your religion is based in a country, keep it in a country. If you are a religious person, which I respect you if you are, then you would know this. If people say religion is as important, then they would know to only to worship in their own lands.

 
conduction
Jan 16, 2011
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I will say it in simple words, seeing as you cannot understand, which is not a problem.

If the muslims are paying a reasonable price for it, then there is no question on it, but because the local government's are giving too much capital away for it, people don't see the main point. And this is why I don't think they should, because then what people do not realize is we are building too much of them, and just using a lot of money, whereas the muslim's hardly pay anything. It's similar to Britain, were Labour ruined the country, because they allowed immigration a freehand. People don't know when to stop, is what I am saying.

 


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