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Christianity & Islam (Inside of Humanity or Outside of humanity)
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revelder
Jun 04, 2010
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The Koran & Hadith say huamnity's free-will or choice "is not" acceptable. You must be a Muslim. Has


watchman81
Jun 04, 2010
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I gotta disagree sharply with this post.

I will agree that there have been "christians" throughout history who have distorted the teachings of the Bible in order to control others, but the idea that Christians are motivated by fear to live the Christian lives they are supposed to live is absurd.

If a Christian is trying to live the life they are supposed to live because they are afraid of hell, then they are not practicing true Christianity. The Bible makes it clear that it is not our works that get us into heaven, it is our faith. A Christian must have a true faith in Christ to get to heaven, not live in fear.

As for this group of "leaders" who supposedly createad Christianity 250 after Jesus, I'd love to see some credible evidence.

"However, one day he was watching the attrocities in Rowanda with the roads lined with dead people and he said to himself, "I can't imagine God sending all of those souls to hell simply because they didn't know Jesus."

I can definately understand Pearson's thinking on this. But what I think he was missing was the fact that we don't know whether or not those people knew about Jesus before they died. There are plenty of places where people have yet to be introduced to Jesus or Christianity in any meaningful way. Most Christians believe that those who are not introduced to Jesus when they die still get to heaven. God is just, and he wouldn't condemn someone who didn't know to believe what they were supposed to believe. I believe that God judges them by a different standard.

I don't know much about Oral Roberts' teachings, but if he used fear to grow his church and influence Christians, then he was wrong. There is simply no excusing this type of teaching.

 
larryt700
Jun 04, 2010
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That is totally not true!!!!

 
2cool4u
Jun 13, 2010
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Ok, first of all in islam, God gives you a choice to choose the wrong way or the right. Then, you will be judged one by one from EVERY single thing you did on earth. When, everyone dies, this is what will happen. Otherwise known as, "The Day of Resurrection," or "The day of Judgment"

 
slosprint
Jun 13, 2010
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you assume heaven exists. What if it doesn't?

 
watchman81
Jun 14, 2010
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This is a completely silly argument.


My main point was that it is not fear that motivates Christians and you responded to some weird argument that I didn't even make. I did rebut your unfounded point that some mysterious group of people gathered together in a room and invented Christianity.

The New Testament was written after Jesus' death. It is a collection of the gospel accounts of Jesus as well as numerous epistles written by the apostles. There didn't need to be reporters around the last supper and the crucifixion. There is no evidence that the last supper didn't happen and Jesus' crucifixion is talked about in Roman records. It's simple. Jesus was crucified. Not even most critics of Christianity have bothered to dispute this point.

By the way, the link you provided as your "proof" didn't lead to anything. There was nothing there. I don't know what kind of hellfire and brimstone church you went to, but this is not the message of Christianity. If one follows Christ simply out of fear of going to hell, then it is not a true faith! Faith in Christ must be based on loving God and acknowledging Him as your saviour.

 
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Christianity says... by God's grace & love you must accept God by choice. Does this place God weak o


jonjax71
Jun 04, 2010
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The predominant tenent of most religions and their sub-sects is that their version is the truth, the only way, the others are misleading and perhaps even false

 
larryt700
Jun 04, 2010
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If free will is not acceptable, then how would you know who are legitimate disciples worthy of heaven?

 
goodevil
Jun 04, 2010
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wow this is a busy day, some real good topics to discuss here, but i'm kinda sorry i've found two wrongly asked questions, in every religion there is a notion of choice, it's in human nature to want to make his own mind, and i don't think that god doesn't know that, so despite any diffrence in religions(and believe me there aren't a lot of those) the notion of god and according to who god is, he wouldn't want people to fear him or to be warship him against their will(this doesn't sound like the holly image of god), so i guess he is smart enough to realize that and to want people to love him and not fear him, as for islam itself well currently islam is living the same conditions that christiany lived once before, people use religion to twist thing and make profits, "the church case in dark ages and extrimist for islam nowaday", i hope someone tries to translate (litterally) all the holly books into many languages so we all can understand our diffrences( not me any way), but i've found some sentences in the Curan about religion of islam, i hope i'm translating this in an accurate way: "don't be cruel or have a stonned heart talking to people to join islam" this is god teaching mohamed how to be a prophet, "no submission in religion" this is a clear message from gor to muslims just do some reading mate
PS you can find that out in couran if you know arabic

 
larryt700
Jun 04, 2010
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LOL, but fear is what has driven many Christian churches for years! I agree, anything negative associated with God is wrong, however, fear has been attributed to God and use of the Bible in order to perpetuate fear makes Christians; respect their parents, go to school, eat your vegetables and everything else based on fear.

A little note about Christianity. About 250 years after Jesus died, this group of leaders got together and came up with a plan to formulate a religion. Some say they discussed ways to control people, keep them from killing each other, committing adultery and much more. So, they developed the Christian religion based on the legends of Jesus and his disciples.

I use to be a hardcore southern babtist until I started reading history and I started doubting that people would go to hell simply by not believing. I read some of the preachings of a guy named Carlton Pearson. He was a guy who was under Oral Roberts and was basically his right hand man. However, one day he was watching the attrocities in Rowanda with the roads lined with dead people and he said to himself, "I can't imagine God sending all of those souls to hell simply because they didn't know Jesus." He then had a revelation and started preaching that everyone goes to heaven and they don't need to fear and only have to live right... (Sound familiar?) Anyway, without fear, Oral Roberts church would fail because it is that fear that makes people put money in that offering plate that comes by every sermon.



 
christwarrior
Jun 09, 2010
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You cannot have faith without works and vice versa. They are together


 
slosprint
Jun 13, 2010
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Do you have anything to back up your claim other than the assertion that "that is totally not true"?

 
larryt700
Jun 13, 2010
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You are EXTREMELY naive! So, I take it that you 'think' there were reporters around the last supper? How about sitting around the crucifixtion? I bet you think a photographer told Jesus to, "hold on a second, hold on, let us get one last shot before you die." Wow, extremely naive. So, this entire argument is not based on fact at all and is totally based on individual beliefs. So, do you think that the Bible just happened to pop up out of the ground immediately after the death of Jesus? Wow!!! You are very funny!

http://www.patheos.com/Library/Christianity/Historical-Development/Early-Developments.html

Fear is the basis for Christianity. Fear of not going to Heaven, fear of Hell, to be "God fearing." Sound familiar??? Wow, the depth of knowledge... lol Actually the lack thereof is intriguing...

 
larryt700
Jun 14, 2010
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And their motivation is???? Oh, if they don't believe, then they may not get a visit from the tooth fairy... I get it!!!! So Christians are Christians simply out of the goodness of their heart and love for God? Yeah! You are EXTREMELY NAIVE!!!

BTW, just one question.... Let's say I wish to be like L. Ron Hubbard and invent my own religion.... Then what would happen to me according to Christians?

 


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