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Imperialism: Can it be justified?
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ericcartman
Apr 01, 2010
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Yes, under certain circumstances, imperialism is correct and can be justified.


ericcartman
Apr 01, 2010
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Yes, imperialism can be justified when there are obvious violations of human rights.

 
pgandal
Apr 01, 2010
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Your beloved republicans believe in human rights. If you think human rights are only a liberal pass time, then you're stupid.

 
pgandal
Apr 01, 2010
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Who's crying a whining? Am i crying about American military imperialism, invading other countries? Pretty sure I'm not doing any of that. The UN's treaty on human rights was drafted in the 40s by the UN, not a bunch of liberals.

 
pgandal
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Here; I looked it up:

"Imperialism is considered the control by one state of other territories. Through political or military means (direct imperialism), the imperial power may take over the government of a particular territory, or through economic processes (indirect imperialism), in which the concerned region is officially self-governing but linked to the imperial power by (often unequal) trade relations. Furthermore, the notion of cultural imperialism is indicated by "existing or traditional ways of life and ways of thinking [that] are subordinated to the culture of the imperialists."

 
pgandal
Apr 01, 2010
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Mines form wikipedia. But I found something along the same lines on your website:

"The United States regards the defense of democracy and of freedom as fundamental to its identity and mission in the world, yet it has also engaged in imperial pursuits."

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"the way that the richer nations of the world dominate the global economic system, including international financial institutions such as the World Bank, is regarded as a form of neo-colonialism. The level of financial indebtedness of many developing nations to the West undermines their autonomy and perpetuates Western control. Inability to meet payments fuels the Western attitude that “these people cannot manage their own economies” (especially is they do have abundant resources) and that they were better off when ruled by others. Yet, the West is largely unwilling to recognize that the impoverishment of parts of the developing world and its continued reliance on aid is a direct result of past imperial exploitation. Chaotic governance, too, is rarely recognized as the result of the failure of the former imperial powers to nurture mature indigenous leadership. Often, the imperial powers imprisoned the leaders of independence movements and did nothing to nurture them as genuine democratic politicians."

 
pgandal
Apr 01, 2010
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Thanks for actually reading the post. As you can plainly check for yourself, all of those points are supported by near identical points found in the definition from your website. Or do you not approve of your website anymore either?

 
larryt700
Apr 01, 2010
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For the computer game, see Imperialism (video game).
It is simply one country or power taking over and imposing its form of government and/or culture over another.


Territories that have been, at one time or another, part of the British EmpireImperialism, defined by The Dictionary of Human Geography, is "the creation and maintenance of an unequal economic, cultural and territorial relationship, usually between states and often in the form of an empire, based on domination and subordination." Imperialism has been described as a primarily western concept that employs "expansionist – mercantilist and latterly communist – systems."[1]

Imperialism is considered the control by one state of other territories. Through political or military means (direct imperialism), the imperial power may take over the government of a particular territory, or through economic processes (indirect imperialism), in which the concerned region is officially self-governing but linked to the imperial power by (often unequal) trade relations. Furthermore, the notion of cultural imperialism is indicated by "existing or traditional ways of life and ways of thinking [that] are subordinated to the culture of the imperialists."[2]



 
ericcartman
Apr 01, 2010
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First of all, just to clarify, I am not a liberal, I agree with you that they are retarded.

Imperialism isn't always violating human rights, sometimes, human rights are being violated and other countries will sit by and do nothing about it.

"why not take over the entire middle east because the women wear veils?"
If women are being put to the gun and told "Wear it or you die." then I don't see why not...



 
pgandal
Apr 01, 2010
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You just edited the definition!?!?!?!?!?! Damn, I guess it'll stay that way forever.

On an unrelated note I checked up on your 'reputable' source and it turns out it's created by the Unification Church, and that a considerable amount of it is copied (and edited) from wikipedia. Everyone knows that a church is a great source of unbiased information.

 
pgandal
Apr 01, 2010
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Oh I see. Funk and Wagnalls is the publisher of Websters New World Encyclopedia. newworldencyclopedia.org is not affiliated with funk and wagnalls. They merely share a name. The real funk and wagnalls can be accessed (provided you attend an approved american college) at the following link: http://www.nclive.org/authhome.phtml?rsrc=21

 
pgandal
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Wow, you're an idiot. You were wrong about your encyclopedia, might as well accuse me of going to the race issue. That reaction makes a lot of sense.

 
pgandal
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I'm not arguing this side, I'm arguing against you.

 
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No, imperialism can never be justified.


larryt700
Apr 01, 2010
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Human rights violations? Just like a libtard you want to impose your standards on another country because theirs is 'unacceptable' to yours? Figures! Then why not take over the entire middle east because the women wear veils? Typical!

 
larryt700
Apr 01, 2010
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Then answer me this question. WHO DECIDES WHAT THOSE RIGHTS ARE YOU ALL POWERFUL LIBTARD? Funny how we espouse ourselves to be the supreme judge for all the world when libtards are in charge. No wonder you are anti-war and tear down the military but cry and whine when they don't SAVE THE FREAKIN PLANET!!!

 
larryt700
Apr 01, 2010
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IDIOT!!! ARE YOU LISTENING? I do not think that violations of human rights justifies us TAKING OVER other countries because they would simply be another welfare state like the city of New Orleans. Specifically, I think what we did in Iraq and what we are trying to do in Afghanistan is all that we should be doing. I think you need to look up the word Imperialism....

 
larryt700
Apr 01, 2010
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IDIOT, you modified the definition to suit your perception....

IT MEANS FORCEFUL CONTROL!!!! Post the link to your definition please....

http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Imperialism

 
larryt700
Apr 01, 2010
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Typical libtardism at work.... They altered the term 'redistribution of wealth' and are calling it 'just being fair.' YEAH!!! Creating a welfare state, over taxing workers and giving the money to lazy libtards is going to work out great!

 
larryt700
Apr 01, 2010
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WIKIPEDIA???

NO WONDER!!!! ROTFLMAO

 
larryt700
Apr 01, 2010
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I just edited the definition on WIKI PEDIA!



 
larryt700
Apr 01, 2010
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I posted it to help you out...

Still want to stick to WIKIPEDIA????

I cannot believe that you libtards utilize a website where the definitions can be altered, edited and are unaccepted by ALL COLLEGES AND UNIVERSITIES as a valid resource....

ROTFLMAO

No wonder you are brainwashed!!!!

 
larryt700
Apr 01, 2010
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I still would not or could not justify imperialism regardless! Each culture and people should have THEIR OWN government and not ours.

 
larryt700
Apr 01, 2010
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I am an officer.... So, because you beat your wife, I should come into your house, take over and raise your kids and impose my rules and authority? I would think not!

 
larryt700
Apr 01, 2010
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We should treat other countries like we are supposed to treat out states. Allow them to make their own rules and support them. If they wish to be like Japan and allow us to defend them while they establish their infrastructure, then cool but nothing beyond that.

 
larryt700
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New World Encyclopedia is owned by a church? I didn't know that funk and wagnalls was a church....

 
larryt700
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Another slight of hand.... Wow! I should be use to that dealing with libtards all of the time

 
larryt700
Apr 01, 2010
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I better be careful! Since I hate osama's health care program then I must be a racist.... LMAO

 
larryt700
Apr 01, 2010
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Now LIBTARDS are using the race card forcing you to follow their views or you are a racist!

 
larryt700
Apr 01, 2010
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LIBTARD please? You don't even know who our enemies are! Defacto??? LMAO

 
larryt700
Apr 01, 2010
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Libtard, which side is winning?

 
larryt700
Apr 01, 2010
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LIbtard, did you hear about your hypocrit libtard president dedicating funds to nuclear energy? Not to mention opening up to drilling for more oil... Seems like libtards can't make their minds up. But, I am the idiot? ROTFLMAO

 
larryt700
Apr 01, 2010
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Libtard, c you next thursday!

 
larryt700
Apr 01, 2010
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Good C u next thursday!

 


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