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Can certain types of rock music influence people to do bad things?
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carter2dabone
Mar 12, 2010
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Yes, Rock music can effect people


christine
Mar 15, 2010
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Music has an effect on moods. If you are angry or really hyper you don't listen to ballads. When you feel mellow you don't listen to heavy metal. Music doesn't cause actions unless you already have a problem but then you would just find something else to blame


 
ericcartman
Mar 12, 2010
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Rebuttal to: carter2dabone Show

NOTE: THIS IS ANOTHER DUMB DEBATE.

Music has undeniable psychological effects. As you mentioned, if you are insane, then music can definatley affect you. Depending on your intelligence and integrity, music will, undeniably, in some way or form alter the way that you think. While any retard can tell you that music is not directly responsible for anyone's actions: "I don't think the music literally makes people do it.", it will certainly influence, to some degree, your beliefs and perspective of life, since people are a direct result of their environment. "Bad" is also a relative term, which makes the question of this debate incredibly stupid and difficult to debate since 'bad' can mean different things to different people. What should really be asked is if music can influence people to commit certain behaviors that they would not have committed had they not listened to that music.

An example of how music can influence people heavily is religion. When missionaries try to convert people from third world nations, who are often uneducated, they will use music as a means to draw the third-world inhabitants closer to their beliefs, and history has proven that this approach influences people. If music can influence the way you think, then it also influences the way you act. This applies to all genres of music, including rock.

 
voltaire
Mar 12, 2010
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I believe that music does affect people psychologically. I don't believe it makes them do things, but it does affect their mood and can affect their minor actions (such as their attitude, it wouldn't make them kill someone or jump from a building). I think of it as the same type of thing that colors are. If you see red, you feel angry or angsty. The same thing: If you listen to anger-based music you will feel angry or angsty. But another factor in all of this is that most people (myself included) listen to music based on what their mood already is. If you are in a mellow, boring mood, you'll listen to softer music. I'm sure most of this has been beaten to death by scientists, but nice topic, regardless.

 
akulakhan
Mar 12, 2010
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If you're an idiot, it's really easy to be persuaded by anything, let alone music.

 
ericcartman
Mar 14, 2010
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"I'm not sure where this debate is going....
the question poses an answer of... "maybe, it depends". "

I disagree, I think it answers the question entirely by proving that in some cases music alters the mind of a person and therefore makes them acts differently. This acting differently could be viewed as "bad".

"I think a better debate is if you believe in censorship of music
with a subheading dealing with it's psychological influences"

That would be a very fun debate, although I don't think that the psychological impacts of music justify violating someone's freedom of expression.

 
ericcartman
Mar 14, 2010
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"I'm not sure where this debate is going.... the question poses an answer of... "maybe, it depends". " I disagree, I think it answers the question entirely by proving that in some cases music alters the mind of a person and therefore makes them act differently. This acting differently could be viewed as "bad". "I think a better debate is if you believe in censorship of music with a subheading dealing with it's psychological influences" That would be a very fun debate, although I don't think that the psychological impacts of music justify violating someone's freedom of expression.

 
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No, Rock music doesn't effect people, people effect people


carter2dabone
Mar 12, 2010
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Simple. Many people would say that bands like..Marylin Manson is my best example, would influence people to do stupid things. I'll admit, that some people that are in to rock do go to extremes with the way they enjoy their music, however, I don't think the music literally makes people do it. When people are about to fight, then sometime they'll turn on some hard rock to get them "pumped up." Even though this is true, they were gonna fight regardless of the music playing. They could of played a love song and still would have fought the same. Even though many people that are into rock are also into drugs and many other stupid things, thats the person, not the music. There are millions of other people that are completely normal..mentally..that listen to the same music. People that are crazy and do stupid things are literally just crazy, they just choose to listen to rock. Saying that rock music influences people is simply a stereotype due to those certain idiot people.

 
carter2dabone
Mar 12, 2010
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Also, there are bands that literally tell the listener, (like Mudvayne) to "take the gun and put it to your head, let me see you tie the rope around your neck." Obviously this is talking about taking ones own life. Now an argument would be that someone that is an emotional time in their life may listen to this song and...kill their self. Well, I say that the music didn't influence that person, that person was just in the state where he or she was going to end their own life regardless. Once again, they could've been listening to "What a Wonderful World" and still wanted to end it all.
The song itself didn't put that particular person in state of mind they wanted to die, something in their life did. So the person was really emotional and just didn't care about life any more.

However, there are some people that would contradict what I'm saying and kill themselves based on this song. These people literally take their own lives because the songs says to. In their case they are literally insane. Note that I am arguing based on normal people. Now I will contradict myself in this argument. Lets say someone wants to kill their self, and they are still normal. If they are in the state of mind where they want to kill their self, they are not in a normal state of mind, therefor could be labeled as insane. Then maybe they would kill their self based on a song. But once again, I'm arguing based on completely normal people.

 
againstthecurrents
Mar 13, 2010
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Rebuttal to: ericcartman Show

I'm not sure where this debate is going....
the question poses an answer of... "maybe, it depends".
I think a better debate is if you believe in censorship of music
with a subheading dealing with it's psychological influences,
I mean it is scientifically proven music influences people which
is why pregnant women listen to classical music for their
fetus to hear.

 
randora
Mar 20, 2010
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Music is actually a very effective method of brainwashing.
For instance, Go to a cult They will probably use chanting as one method of breaking your thought processes down. Same thing with churches, ever been to a service without music?

That being said rock music can influence people too, but the changing rhythms and tempos are not conductive to placing the brain in a trance like state, so any suggestions in the message of the song are not as likely to influence as other types of music. How many gurus listen to rock music as they meditate? Not too many.

Either way, if a person does obtain a high level of suggestibility from listening to rock music or being hypnotized; they still will not do something they feel is morally wrong. So for any type of music to influence someone they must first be actively willing to do this. Music alone is not going to convince someone that something is bad. There are usually going to be stronger influences in society teaching them that X is wrong.

This breaks down when they become involved in a society (close friends/family) which does not tell them that X is wrong. If their moral standard is that X is not wrong they could be more open to suggestion from music.
However, the music is not the cause of a poor moral standard. A person is not going to simply do something they know is bad because they heard it in a song.

 


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