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Marriage should be opened to any two people, regardless of their genders (same-sex marriage)
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toddmorden
Feb 20, 2010
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oliver7474
Feb 21, 2010
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...I would just like to add one other thing to my previous thread. I noticed that the first post for 'no it shouldn't' brought up the inevitable God argument. I was not going to mention it, but as it has already been put forward, i would like to say a couple of things, of which i sincerely do not intend to offend the individual, but the doctrine itself.

First of all, to let that argument stand, Gods' existence needs to be proved. Simply saying 'I know he exists' or as it was put 'i know that it hurts God' holds no validity and simply will not suffice.

And secondly, isn't it strange how it is only ever religion that protests to such arguments - to name just two more, the abolition of slavery and equal rights for women - and retards progress. 'Prejudice is OK to please the Lord'... utter nonsense. I would be interested to see if there is a single post for 'no it shouldn't' that is not inspired by religion.

I am aware this deviates somewhat from the question at hand, however i feel it is important to clear up before the debate can continue in a effective manner.

 
thales
Apr 12, 2010
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This whole argument is irrelevant, and I'll tell you why:

For one thing, the Bible does not actually address lesbian relationships; it only mentions sex between two men. Should two women be allowed to marry?

For another, the Bible says a lot of things, 90% of which modern Christians completely ignore. A large number of them are in fact in Leviticus, which also contains the most often-cited prohibition against sex between two men (or rather against a man lying with a man as he would with a woman, which reasonable people could--and do--argue is not the same thing at all). Leviticus (and other books of the Old Testament) contain myriad instructions and prohibitions governing the treatment of slaves, modes of dress and grooming, behavior on the Sabbath, and the consumption of food and drink.

These Biblical rules get ignored for two main reasons:

1) Most of them simply don't apply to modern society. We don't have slaves, it's impractical to inspect all of your clothing to make sure it's only made from one type of fiber, and try stoning a witch to death--just try it. The laws simply don't work for the way we fit in the world anymore, and so even the most die-hard of Christians have largely let them go. The difference with homosexuality is that most people don't want to break those "rules", and so it's easy for the majority to say that they should remain in place. It's kind of like making a law against duct-taping yourself to the wall: it's absolutely wrong, but it's tough to mobilize the majority of people to care enough to oppose it.

2) Jesus' coming is widely believed to supersede all of the laws set forth in the Old Testament. That's why super-observant Jews still keep kosher and refrain from cutting the hair that grows over their temples, but super-observant Christians don't. Unfortunately for homosexuals, there are still plenty of "Christians" like you out there who "just really hate" the idea of homosexuality, so that part of the Old Testament still gets quoted as if you all actually care what the books say.

Love thy neighbor; judge not lest ye be judged; let him without sin cast the first stone; consider the beam in thine own eye. Quit hiding behind your religion and pay more attention to the model of behavior it actually sets for you. Do you really think that Jesus would prefer a hypocrite over a homosexual?

 
toddmorden
Feb 20, 2010
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I'd love a debate on this, and if anyone wants to argue the other side they can start. :)

 
akulakhan
Feb 20, 2010
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Agreed. Those opposed to same-sex mairrages don't realize that it won't affect them in any way.

 
justinwm
Feb 20, 2010
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Being Gay is someones choice and sometimes it is in there genes and they cant help it (so says scientist's)

 
oliver7474
Feb 21, 2010
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This is my first post on this lovely web site, so here is my view... Of course it should be possible for same sex marriage. To denounce it is but an ill informed judgement. As we all know, homosexuality is found in many brackets of the Animal kingdom. Sexuality, is to my knowledge, most widely accepted to be determined by environmental factors - parenting, social interaction et cetera. However, the idea that an individual makes a conscious decision about to whom he or she shall be attracted towards is unfounded and spurious. I do not remember intentionally determining my own sexuality, do you?
So, to prohibit 2 people from entering into what can be described as the highest voluntary commitment to an emotion there is, requires some very well evidenced explanations in order to make clear the reasons why... of which there are none.

 
teachme
Feb 21, 2010
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Bookworm...it indirectly hurts all of us when people use religion to perpetuate intolerance, inequality...and sometimes even hate. You may not hate gays, but many who believe in the Bible do. In fact, I would venture to say that the bulk of hate crimes stem from religion and/or the Bible. Instead of quoting the Bible, perhaps you should keep in perspective that it was written by men...and no matter how inspired...human beings do have their limitations.

Try thinking outside of the box, for once. Do you really think it is 'wrong' to love another human being? Should two people in love, desire to take it one step further...and commit the rest of their lives to each other, by joining in marriage...are they truly 'wrong' for how they feel?

Furthermore...how could it be 'right' to deny gay couples the same legal rights and privileges as hetereosexual couples? If the shoe was on the other foot...wouldn't you want the same rights as your "counterparts"? Would you like to be made to feel there was something 'wrong' with you..what you were doing...who you were loving...or, how you were loving? I think not...especially when you were doing no one any harm!

I think if there really is a Creator...that is, the way you view God, as you do...I think God would be most happy when we are all happy...and getting along with each other. I don't think God would necessarily want us to use a book to defend our prejudices, hate, or disapproval of each other. I think God would be happiest to see us love one another.

Bible, or no Bible...religion, or no religion...I think it is truly sad when people choose to hate and judge others, over accepting and allowing others to be at peace with who they really are. So, they may live their lives, without harming others...in a way that makes them happy. Everyone wants to be loved, and to be able to give and receive love freely.

Everyone also wants to have the free will to choose their mates without feeling guilty, or less than...along with the privilege of marrying that someone with no restraints or stipulations. Marriage should be opened to any two people, regardless of their genders, because it is the right thing to do, and it is backed by our Constitution. The Constitution is the supreme law of the land, not religion!

 
akulakhan
Feb 22, 2010
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I wouldn't claim mairrage as a religious term, especially in modern day standards. This is the age of slur, where people are so lazy they have drive-thru weddings, where they get drunk and marry hookers in reno, where dead elvis binds two souls in 'holy' matrimony. Mairrage is not God's blessing anymore, if you are even willing to combat that it ever was. It's simply a thing that people do, like work and drive.

 
teachme
Feb 22, 2010
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Although sexual privileges, as well as, the intent to procreate (and secure lines of succession) have been at the root of many marriages through time...anthropologists agree that, like the history of marriage, no origin of the definition is known. (referenced from Wikipedia)

Lonewolf, you stated: "...the term marriage is strictly a religious term..." ...Prove it!

 
teachme
Feb 23, 2010
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Well said...you are spot on, Frankie!

 
carter2dabone
Apr 08, 2010
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I agree with you for the most part, I would just like to correct you here on one part. As you know, as it seems you know a lot about the Bible, that Christians are followers of God. They love everyone. So if someone who claims to be a Christian actually hates a gay, then that person is not a Christian, because true Christians do not hate anyone, but instead try to lead others, including gays, to reach God. So you, which is who I agree with, and the person you are rebutting, are wrong. Christians do not hate gays, but instead try to lead them to Christ, and treat them as an equal to any other person. Many Christians do not hate gays, many people who claim to be Christians hate gays. And the same thing applies for when slavery was around. Basically as you said, slave owners used the Bible as a cover up. If a slave owner had a reputation as a "good man," or Christian, that doesn't mean he was. As a matter of fact, if a white man was racist, and actually hated black men, then that white man was not a TRUE Christian.

 
thales
Apr 08, 2010
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1) Your point about AIDS is misinformed. One's sexual preference has nothing to do with one's susceptibility to a transmittable virus. Women are slightly likely than men to contract an STI from any single sexual encounter, but that's it.

2) So because you don't like a certain type of people (a type that by no means represents all or even most homosexuals), you think that there should be laws limiting their civil rights? What if you wake up one day and decide you "just hate" black people?

If this post genuinely reflects your understanding of Christian belief and standards, you need to dust off your bible and take a fresh look at what Jesus Christ actually had to say to the world.

 
butterflunkies24
May 16, 2010
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They say you can't choose who you fall in love with. If this is true, why let somebody choose whom we marry. Same sex relationships consist of the same loving bonds as opposite sex relationships. Why shouldn't they be allowed to express that in the same way. Neither are inferior.

 
sidieriul
Jul 01, 2010
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It should be legal to any PEOPLE. not just two.

 
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frankiej4189
Feb 23, 2010
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Marriage should be opened to any two consenting adults. Any opposition to same sex marriage is based on false fears, arguments over semantics, and a twinge of misplaced self entitlement.

 
bookworm
Feb 21, 2010
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In today's legal system, separated from the Christian teachings and morals, I agree that there is no reason not to allow same-sex marriage. I cannot think of one reason why a secular government should not allow same-sex marriage. That said...I still think it's wrong. Reason being that God has said so. God teaches that marriage is to be between one man and one woman, only.
Someone (can't remember who) said that same sex marriage doesn't hurt anyone, which is kind of true. It does not hurt me directly if two men or two women decide to get married. However, I know that it does hurt God, Who made and sustains all things, when He sees people in rebellion to His commands. And so it also, indirectly hurts me.
That's my view on why same-sex marriage is wrong, and why I feel that all Christians should oppose it

 
teachme
Feb 21, 2010
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Well done, Oliver...

Something tells me that if Bookworm was gay, things would be different.

 

Feb 21, 2010
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Marriage is the province of the church....if their is a church who is comfortable marrying a same sex couple cool if not deal with it.

This being said, I am all for equal civil unions. I believe everyone should get one, no matter their sexuality. If an man and woman wish to have a tax cut because they are together then they go to the courthouse and sign the documents and get a civil union. If they are religious and want to get "married" thats for them to decide. Same thing with gay couples. They are allowed to get civil unions and recieve the same benefits.

But the term marriage is strictly a religious term...

 
bookworm
Feb 22, 2010
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May I point out that the main driving force behind the British abolition movement was Christian, William Wilberforce as the name everyone knows, was Christian. I know that sadly, in the States the Bible was used (or abused) to support slavery, however, as religion was a big thing in those days, it was natural to turn there to try to find some support (or wrest some from out of context verses). Furthermore, are you really trying to suggest that there were sincere Christians out there who were opposing abolition simply and only on the grounds that the Bible taught that slaves should not be freed, or that blacks were supposed to be slaves? There was the reason of the rights of the states, and of course, the economic hardship freeing them would bring to the slaveowners. The Bible was merely a cover-up. They wanted slavery for economic purposes (and quite possibly racist ones); they did their best to support it using the Bible. There were plenty of Christians in the north though that were definately against Christianity.

As for what you're saying about that God's existence must be proved for this argument to stand, of course it must. Most of you will absolutely not accept my answer. I was delineating my standpoint. The teachings of the Bible shape my life and my values, and that is why I feel the way I do. The teachings of the Bible have seemingly no effect on the decisions you make, and that is why you feel the way you do.

 
bookworm
Feb 22, 2010
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If I had gay leanings, in my situation now, I would suppress them, not because the feelings themselves are necessarily wrong, but because the indulgence of them is. If I was not a Christian, I would not feel that gay marriage was wrong. As I said above, my beliefs and values are shaped by the teachings of God in the Bible, and one of those is that gay relations are wrong. That is, quite simply, why I feel they're wrong.

Furthermore, as you said, I do not hate gays. Sadly, there are many Christians that do, and you know what? They're wrong too. We are to hate no person. In their opposition to gay relations they are not wrong, in their hatred of gay people they are. I will not attempt in the slightest to excuse their hatred, and if I knew anyone who was a Christian and still filled with hatred towards those who do not act or believe as they do, I would challenge them.

I would say that intolerance is not having set of beliefs and believing that those who transgress those beliefs are wrong in what they do, but rather in their attitude towards those who do go against what they believe. I believe prostitution is wrong too, and I think many of you may, too, although, really, it is much the same issue. Does that mean I'm intolerant of those who 'do what they want to do with their body'? No, I merely think they're wrong. I would not shun them, hate them, treat them as though they are unclean, etc, etc.

As for my view of God, I believe God is most happy when we are doing right. If we always did right, we would be happy. Unfortunately, that of course, is impossible here and now.

 
carter2dabone
Apr 08, 2010
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That wouldn't be the age of slur. that would be the age of moral trash! Not everyone is like that, and just because certain people are like that, it doesn't change what marriage is supposed to be. A bond between two people who ACTUALLY love each other. Not some idiot who tells his mate that he loves her, just so he can get sex, and her stupid self actually believes him. If you want a life full of sex and parties, then don't get married. Marriage is for people who love and want to spend life with each other.

And as for gays, I especially think its wrong for many reasons. First off, gays get AIDS much faster and easier than straight people. Secondly, I just hate a guy that literally acts like a girl. Man up. I don't hate gay guys, I just don't like them. I've actually had gay friends. But they were normal at least, and they didn't tell the world and embarrass me by carrying their nasty boy friends around. I do not like the fact that they are gay, but I do not judge them. And yes, just like the person I agree with, I am basing my views off of a Christian belief and standard.

 
carter2dabone
Apr 09, 2010
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Jesus Christ didn't say it, but it says in the same Bible that two people of the same sex shouldn't have that type of relationship. It's nasty, and its pointless. Sex is for pleasure, but also to have a kid, gays can't have kids, and theres a reason for that, because its not supposed to be that way.

 
mazex
Jul 03, 2010
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I strongly believe that being gay is a mental disorder. My friend was straight until he got into a car crash and then afterward he liked men. Instead of allowing same sex marriage I think they should get cheap psychological help.

 
northernsettler
Oct 29, 2010
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God, as the Bible states, doesn't agree with same-sex marriage. And I believe as a christian that God wants the best for us. If He doesn't want us to do so, it isn't for our best intrest. God doesn't want us to avoid what we want. He wants whats best for us in the long run, that we would be happier married to the opposite sex.

 
johnnyokjohnny
May 05, 2012
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marriage is between a man and a woman. its not my fault. its like a chair is something to sit on and an oven is something to cook your food. fact. i would never agree with discrimination though. as such, any gay man can marry any woman and any lesbian woman can marry any man. marriage does not discriminate against gays, its gays that are discriminating against marriage. but hey... wait... you bleeding heart liberals are such nazis. you wont let my dog "marry" my goldfish. who said marriage had to involve humans? in fact who said it had to between animals? in fact who said it had to be between living creatures. gonna roll down and get me a marriage cert for my dishwasher tomorrow. me and it are in luuurrvvee. haters always be haters....

 


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