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Can god change her mind?
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scarleta
Oct 09, 2009
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scarleta
Oct 09, 2009
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Rebuttal to: apathetic Show

How do you know god doesn't just constantly choose to act in a perfect way?

 
scarleta
Oct 09, 2009
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Rebuttal to: thevenerablerob Show

The word god does not mean male god, it means any god, male female or neuter.

 
blueclaw59
Oct 09, 2009
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but, can't god define what is perfect? Can he change the meaning of the word and WE would all conform to it?

 
kaleb
Feb 12, 2010
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is it better to inhale or exhale? is it better to sleep or wake? is it better to eat or to fast?

a mother and her child stand at a cross walk. first the mother says 'no', then the mother says 'lets cross'.

is the mind of God changed, or does God merely care enough about us to respond to us in a way which is appropriate to the situation?



 
kaleb
Feb 12, 2010
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what does the theory of relativity have to do with all possible outcomes existing at the same time? ive never heard those two tied together, so i am curious.

 
kaleb
Feb 12, 2010
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though your argument is clever, i would say that in any meaningful capacity to act in an imperfect way is to have no free will, and to act perfectly is to have perfect free will.

a painter that has developed some caliber of technique could use that technique to create countless variations of countless subjects, and each of them could express the same level of skill. a poor painter such as myself can draw a boy stick figure or a girl stick figure. my imperfect art is limiting, and the theoretical move toward perfection in an art opens the door to infinite creative possibilities. There are countless ways to act perfectly, but the number of ways that you could act imperfectly is quite limited. Perfect is NOT the same as "without variation"-- in fact, an organism that exists without any variation would not last long at all in the universe as we know it.

and anyway:

"To must always act one way is to have no free will. "
To [have one's]
must always act = will submitted [to]
one way (that way being, by your own admission, the way of one's essence, or one's "will", therefore = one's will)
is
"To have one's will submitted to one's will."
eg to be possessed of ones own will. what other definition of free will could you have?


 
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jonjax71
Oct 09, 2009
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Yes, but in the traditonal view of god, the entity would not have reason to change its mind because god knows everything about everything before it happens everytime

 
apathetic
Oct 09, 2009
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1. God is a perfect being.
2. A perfect being must always act in a perfect way.
3. To must always act one way is to have no free will.

Therefore God has no free will.

 
thevenerablerob
Oct 09, 2009
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Perhaps god does have free will. But then maybe since He is perfect, He can't accept anything less than perfect and thus would choose to do nothing less than perfect.

 
thevenerablerob
Oct 09, 2009
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and when did God become a 'her'. I believe in mythology, she gods are 'goddesses', are they not? Since God is not a goddess, God is a He.

 
raafi
Oct 09, 2009
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no because if She/He does it has all happened in acordence with the whole theory of reletivity as all posible outcomes exist at the same time

 
atlas101
Jan 30, 2010
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"Her" mind...nice.

 


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