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(W.U.C.) Is Iran a legitimate threat to anyone?
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Iran Tests Most Advanced Missiles
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frankiej4189
Sep 28, 2009
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frankiej4189
Sep 28, 2009
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-Insane leader: Check
-Obscene hatred for Western Sociological Ideas: Check
-Obscene hatred for the Jews: Check
-Financially powerful enough to develop WMD's: Check

 
dkturner
Sep 28, 2009
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- Launched a long-range delivery system, check
- Able to refine high-grade nuclear fuel, check
- Frenzied desire to see the Armageddon come, check

The consequences don't matter if you're going to be welcomed into heaven by 72 dark-eyed and presumably buxom virgins.

 
akulakhan
Sep 28, 2009
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Yay intolerance!

 
dkturner
Sep 29, 2009
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To launch a preemptive strike you want suitcase bombs.

To sustain a nuclear war you must have ICBMs.

 
dkturner
Sep 30, 2009
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I'd argue that thousands is a high estimate, but you're right that Iran isn't in that position. Yet.

You could, if you were very good, smuggle in 500 nukes. Of these, you might be lucky enough that 90% of them go off.

But how many of them do you think you could smuggle in to military bases? How could you neutralize the threat of a counter-strike?

On the other hand, I've already stated that I think Iran isn't interested in actually surviving such a war, so you're probably right.

 
misterguy
Oct 02, 2009
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"Despite what you may have been told by your political overlords, their hatred is based on religious values. Ask Osama bin Laden. Death to the infidel, including the Jews."

Wrong. The vast majority of Iranians are NOT religious radicals at all. Just look at the overwhelming number of nose jobs & other plastic surgeries that are ongoing in Iran. Iran is desperate to re-join the rest of the modern world.

"Imagine if your religion told you you were the chosen ones, and yet your civilization was manifestly inferior to the infidels' next door. How would you feel?"

Hey, you could say the same thing about the Jewish religion pre-Israel.


 
misterguy
Oct 02, 2009
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"Iran is a legitimate threat to all oil using countries in that it can shutdown the strait of Hormuz in about 30 minutes"

...which would kill *their* economy faster than it would kill ours, which is why they have little to no motivation to do so.


 
misterguy
Oct 02, 2009
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"Imagine the damage they could do if they picked our largest cities and nuked them."

The point is that they have NO missles with this kind of reach, period.

"The Mullahs have never, ever, ever, ever risked their own necks."

Exactly...and they are the ones with the REAL power in Iran currently, not that idiot that recently, really *lost* an election to moderates.

"If anything, Iran wants a deterrent because it knows America doesn't attack people who have nukes."

Exactly...isolating them will make them more like North Korea, which would be horrible.

"I'd be far more worried about Iran's capacity to close the Strait of Hormuz."

Once again, this would hurt their own economy WAY worse than it would hurt ours, which is why the Iranians have little incentive to do this.


 
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obviouschild
Oct 01, 2009
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The thing with nukes if, you don't need to smuggle them into military bases to cause huge damage. Besides, military bases generally are relatively low population density. Imagine the damage they could do if they picked our largest cities and nuked them. What's the point in the military if your economy and cities are radioactive ruins?

I don't think Iran is even remotely considering an active nuclear war with anyone. The Mullahs have never, ever, ever, ever risked their own necks.

Every Iran hater I've asked to provide a single historical example where the Mullahs risked their own lives and power has always ran away from the question.

They always send someone else to die. It's how they fight. Proxy wars are their wars of choice because Iran's regime is never directly threatened. A nuclear war changes that entirely. If anything, Iran wants a deterrent because it knows America doesn't attack people who have nukes.

I'd be far more worried about Iran's capacity to close the Strait of Hormuz.

 
frankiej4189
Sep 28, 2009
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-Realization that any usage of WMD's has serious consequences with the Western World: Check
-Realization of what war with the Western World means: Check

 
dkturner
Sep 28, 2009
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-Obscene hatred for Western Sociological Ideas: bzzt. Despite what you may have been told by your political overlords, their hatred is based on religious values. Ask Osama bin Laden. Death to the infidel, including the Jews.

Imagine if your religion told you you were the chosen ones, and yet your civilization was manifestly inferior to the infidels' next door. How would you feel?

 
akulakhan
Sep 28, 2009
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Indeed!

 
obviouschild
Sep 29, 2009
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Correction
1) President has no power
2) So much hatred that many Iranians beam in Western TV on their satellite dish and the president wears European style suits
3) So much hate...they allow 20,000 (and growing) Jews to worship and have seats in parliament.
4) Well, that's most countries these days.

Iran is a legitimate threat to all oil using countries in that it can shutdown the strait of Hormuz in about 30 minutes.

 
obviouschild
Sep 29, 2009
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In terms of conventional weapons, countries with access to Russia and American weapons are more dangerous. And besides, it makes no sense to use an unreliable, inaccurate missile to deliver a nuke when a cargo container will do in a far superior way.

 
obviouschild
Sep 29, 2009
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You also need hundreds of missiles. Not exactly Iran.

Besides, why couldn't you just smuggle in 500 nukes?

 
misterguy
Oct 02, 2009
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"-Financially powerful enough to develop WMD's: Check"

They are years & years away from doing this. All that we are seeing is pretty much mindless fear-mongering. Iran's recent "secret" nuclear site isn't even close to being completed, and they have NOT violated any law or treaty that they have signed on to, period.

 
misterguy
Oct 02, 2009
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"- Able to refine high-grade nuclear fuel, check"

There is ZERO evidence of this, period.

"- Frenzied desire to see the Armageddon come, check"

Nonsense. The Iranians are simply looking out for their own interests both in the political world & future energy production. Iran can't even refine all of the oil that they are currently pumping out of the ground, and very few of the OPEC countries haven't already realized that an oil-based economy is doomed.

"The consequences don't matter if you're going to be welcomed into heaven by 72 dark-eyed and presumably buxom virgins."

Once again, this is nonsense. The vast majority of Iranian want to be friendly again towards the West, period.


 


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