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ASSASIN VS KNIGHTS TEMPLAR
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mmmmaster
Sep 03, 2009
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frankiej4189
Sep 03, 2009
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Templars were supposed to be this big deal in the game Assassin's Creed but they were chumps.

 
mmmmaster
Sep 03, 2009
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very cute whered u get that wikipedia? you got one vital part of the story wrong the assasins were great one on one fighters. infact that was part of their training so that if they ever had to fight they would be prepared and they would fight to the death. while nobody knows what exactly assasins wear under their cloaks robes or whatever they wore. they mostly always carried a sword dagger and throwing knifes. the knights templar only carried a sword and wore heavy armor made of steel. true a dagger at long range could not pierce a templars armor but their helmets were made of iron and an assains knife would be super heated before throwing sometimes to make sure the knife hit the target. it would start melting the iron to his head causing an imense ammount of pain in which hed start yelling, close his eyes in that time an assasin could run up and shove the dagger through his eye or face and be gone before the guards got their and if they wernt they would fight to the death but at least their target would be dead. so in short the assasin would win

 
mmmmaster
Sep 04, 2009
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okay for one i was not bending history to fit the argument. but i do admit that my source was faulty and i should not have used that website but i was boredand needed to find something about assasins. i have reported to the website that the information was faulty and it has been removed from the website and another story put up of course. for my information being faulty i deeply apologize for my using it with out checking it out first. but i stick to assasins because they were fast and silent.

 
mmmmaster
Sep 25, 2009
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you cant hit what you cant see and the fact that an assassin would not do anything unless survival is garunteed means that they would only fight if he had to which means hed get away if he actually did it

 
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oephi
Sep 03, 2009
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Rebuttal to: mmmmaster Show

I can find proof online of nearly everything thevenerablerob had stated, yet the same can not be said of your....creative...claims.

In fact, some of your claims are simply preposterous. Superheating a throwing knife to a temperature that can melt Iron, and then throwing it at a target's helmet to melt through it? Conduction of heat prevents the throwing of a superheated knife in the first place, and the idea that the heat would help "make sure the knife hit the target" is something I'd expect from an elementary-grade child.

And furthermore, why would a soldier, of any kind, wear a helmet of a weaker material than their other pieces of armor? It makes absolutely no sense to bottleneck your defense like that.

It occurs to me that you have no back up for these things that you claim to be true, and that you are simply twisting history to fit your argument. That kind of bias is not needed on this website, thank you very much.

 
masterchief
Sep 03, 2009
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what kind of assasin are you talking about

 
thevenerablerob
Sep 03, 2009
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First of all, we shall straighten out a few items for those who don't appreciate their history. The assassin originated in the ancient Islamic world wand was typically used to strike fear into the heart of an opposing Sultan or Prince rather than to actually kill. Eventually, the assassin seemed to die out as a popular force because if captured, an assassin would be tortured to death - this does not mean they became extinct. With the rise of Saladdin, assassins were used as effective terror weapons against the kings and generals of the Crusades.

Assassins probably reached their peak with the Jannissary corps. This was an elite unit of Ottoman assassins and spies. The force was not large, but it was formiddable and deadly.

Even so, this force was not a fighting force. One would not throw an assassin into the midst of a pitched battle - the assassin, or bunch of them, even the entire jannissary corps, would be headless within minutes. These assassins, as well as all others, do not fight. Their fighting ability is actually rather poor. What they know is subterfuge and silence. Assassins. Something quiet and quick. Something in which escape was almost always assured, otherwise it would not be done. A knife thrown into a back at fifty yards and then complete disappearance. A deadly snake appearing on a bed or even a knife in the chest while sleeping. these chaps do not know swords, battle axes, maces, halberds pikes or effective weaponry for battle. They know subversive ninja arts, daggers and knives. They'd be hewn apart in seconds by an experienced Knight Hospitaller or templar. If met face to face.

And, chain mail and metal plates can stop a knife at long range, too. Even capable of stopping arrows at long range, which assassins did not appreciate using, anyway. Assassins viewed their job as an art - arrows were lowlife, despiccable. Murder was personal.

Knights on the other hand were the ultimate fighting unit. You want a brawler and you find a knight. If the knight weren't killed in bed or the assassin showed his/her face, s/he would be dead.

 
thevenerablerob
Sep 10, 2009
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Rebuttal to: mmmmaster Show

lol Apology accepted, though you doubted the awesome might of Wicki.... ; ) Sadly enough, I didn't need to do any research for my argument. Including Wicki. :P

And as the chap who agrees with me stated, it is all correct and verified. Assassins were highly overrated in videogames such as assassins' Crede....

 


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