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Should conscription be illegal?
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rebirth
Jul 29, 2009
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accipiter
Jul 30, 2009
4 convinced
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Laws are made by people in power. Along with those laws come consequences for breaking them. Dodging the draft, as Jonjax did during the Vietnam War brought with it consequences of which he was fully aware and made his decision based on the information. Regardless of whether history proved his decision correct or not, principled stands cannot be so easily dismissed. Had history continued to vilify his actions and the actions of others of his ilk; I am willing to bet he could still sleep at night knowing what he did and why.
Too many people blindly follow the rules placed before them and as a result foolish laws are allowed to be enforced. When he took his principled stand on this issue he and many like him were able to exact changes in laws to the point where conscription was taken off the books.
When the governing body tries to enact similar laws, for their own ends, it is folly to assume it will go without strong opposition by those who lived through it the first time and remember the horror of what they saw and heard. The major problem with proposing such a law at this time, exists because there is still and entire generation who know and remember the consequences of such a law.
The onus is on those trying to pass the law of conscription to prove to the entire population that the law is both just and necessary. They have not done so. Until this happens the law should never be passed.


 
accipiter
Jul 30, 2009
4 convinced
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This was originally intended as a private message to Jonjax but given the importance and the impact of his actions and those of his ilk I thought it important to make my views known to all. There is some repletion here from my previous post and for that I apologize.
The message is as follows:
(I have known a few people in your situation during that time and I know of the sacrifices that were made to hold to your stand in that era. What you accomplished was no small feat and changed social policy in a very radical way.
I missed that era by only a couple of years and as part of the next generation I think what you did, had a greater impact on my life than any victory in any war could have.
When I hear people speak of the heroism of the soldiers in uniform I find it sad how much it is glorified. The real struggle and ultimate change for the better came from within the citizenry and against tremendous odds. When I think of heroism, my thoughts immediately go to those whose point of view and actions were scorned by the majority and whose sacrifices were never given the proper recognition. So my views of conscription can be summed up in a few simple words. “If you have to be forced to do what is right; there is nothing noble in your actions.”)


 
jonjax71
Jul 29, 2009
2 convinced
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I am against mandatory military service, I am a proud Viet Nam draft dodger, history hs proveb us correct

 
rebirth
Jul 29, 2009
0 convinced
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Conscription should be illegal.
Service should be voluntary.
In all circumstances.

In a market which is not run by government, but free will, people are appropriately compensated for their services.

Opponents of mine will argue the below statement:
"If there is no conscription, no one will defend us during war time"

Not true at all. People will join the military if they are appropriately compensated, with a decent pay and pension.

Why should anyone be forced to risk their life time after time just to be paid an average salary? Members of congress in comparison are paid more than twice the amount even if they are not even present at their jobs half of the time.

A government without conscription is a government which treats it's people as more than just servants.

Conscription hurts the brave men and women who serve overseas to protect us more than anything.

 
dragon43078
Jul 30, 2009
0 convinced
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Another Socialist program the lousy president wants to enact. Mandatory 2 years service. Next step is marxism them Communism. How can the public be so blind to follow this incomptant man?

 
blackkodiak
Jul 30, 2009
0 convinced
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I was trying to develop a credible scenario where conscription would be a neccessary last-resort...I failed. So, here I am on the "no" side.

 
swapnil
Apr 24, 2011
0 convinced
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Of course conscription should be banned; countries which are already stable and have a strong friendly relationship with their neighboring countries. And not such as South Korea who still has the North to worry about. Relatively we all know that in the modern world no one is ever going to start another world war 3 again, except for a certain country still fighting. So, why can’t we abolish conscription and be peaceful citizens of the world? There are some people say that there are terrorist, but we don’t need conscription to fight terrorism, what we need are alert citizens to inform of anything wrong. Conscription even takes away human rights. People who have gone through the conscription, there opinion is “I have wasted my time for the military service”.

 
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jonjax71
Jul 30, 2009
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Rebuttal to: accipiter Show

Honestly, it wasn't a sacrifice at all, it was extremely easy to be opposed to Viet Nam because it was such a senseless conflict, nearly 75% of the US was opposed to it after 1966, it was a political ploy for those in power especially for the military and it was very transparent, very simple to see right through it as a lost cause. i've lived and witnessed the consequences of it, for the US and worse yet for those that were there and returned, how the military treated them while in combat and how they government abandoned them for the most paart after they were done with them.

The Nam conflict was a part of an entire process of change in the US of the mid-to-late 60s thru the early 70s. Even numerous conservative republicans who were in favor of Nam at the time have recanted their views and have stated it was wrong and the US should have never gotten involved, many hawks have said the same thing. It is the biggest error of the US after slavery, runaway capitalism/industrialization and interference in other countries affairs

 
thoughtprocess
Jul 30, 2009
0 convinced
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Convince for you sir. I would do my best to leave a country that instituted conscription. Conscription implies ownership to me.

 


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