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Are incest relationships moral?
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likestatic
Jul 09, 2009
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No, it's immoral and disgusting


frankiej4189
Jul 09, 2009
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Does it matter at all which of your options the debate creator was talking about?

-Between Siblings: Wierd, Gross, and Immoral
-Parent/Child: Monsterous, Gross, and Immoral
-Grandparent/Grandchild: Horrible, Gross, and Immoral
-Uncle/Aunt/Niece/Nephew: Wierd, Gross, and Immoral
-Cousins: Wierd, Gross, and Immoral

Details, details, details aren't important when it comes to this kind of thing. You can put lipstick on a pig but its still a pig.

 
firblog
Jul 09, 2009
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but do you want to create some mutant baby

 
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UGH...ok if you in love i guess..love is love...but think about it.if you plan to have kids with you father or 1st cousin...that is extreamly selfish seeing as theres more than half a chance that you child will have disabilities...and if you do happen to be in love with a family member think of what other people will think.. can they handle that..back to the kids..no sane person would take that chance..
AND LEAVE THE AMISH ALONE WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU U CANT CALL OUT A WHOLE GROUP OF PEOPLE DIDNT I TEACH U BETTER THAN THAT!!

 
jonjax71
Jul 09, 2009
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I guess you're referring to the Amish?

 
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ugh..not that the kid shouldnt be there..that they shouldnt have children knowing what could happen.that doent mean an abortion that means preventing a pregnancy

 
denverdannydee
Jul 10, 2009
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I called my pastor asked him about the no prohibition of marriage between cousins in the Bible and he explained it that way back when the Old Testament was written it was ok for cousins to get married because there was less people in the world and the Hebrews always neede to marry Hebrews so God said it was allright for cousins to wed. Just like God said it was no problem for the children of Adam and Eve to marry and have their own children. So although they never updated the New Testament because there was still less people in the world it was still ok to marry your cousin but now there are billions of people so it is not necessary and even though it is not against the Bible common sense should tell you not to do it. This is like the Bible does not tell you not to make a porno movie but common sense says that it is wrong

 
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Yes, all love should be given a chance


jonjax71
Jul 09, 2009
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Much to wide of a premise. Incest between siblings, parent-child, grandparent-granchild, uncle.aunt/niece/nephew, 1st cousins ???? What are the cirumcumstances ?

details, details, details

 
jonjax71
Jul 09, 2009
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No, I don't want to create nor see others create mutant babies. I just want clairfication of this panoramic and undetailled debate.

 
jonjax71
Jul 10, 2009
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Well except for the last entry I agree with you and so does the law.

Marriage between second cousins and beyond, 3rd. 4th et al are legal in every state-maybe one or 2 exceptions and almost every nation and is fairly common. There is no increased risks of any birth defects

Marriage between first cousins where there is a 25% potential shared gene pool are legal in most states and most nations and many prominent people over history have married their 1st cousins without any birth defects. All research and studies indicate that first cousins chances of having a defective child birth are no more than an over 40 pregnancy or for mothers who are smokers or heavy drinkers (even if the refrain during pregnancy), in fact even less because of the commonality of some genes strengthening against disease

I am not encouraging 1st cousin marriages or relationships but I know of cases and have seen first hand cases where cousins fall for each other and have had a romance yet didn't marry because of peer pressure and family viewpoints.

Even for Danny Dee and other bible thumpers there is no restriction for 1st cousin marriages in that book



 
wwwdontpushmenet
Jul 09, 2009
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i dont agree with incest relationships! but honestly most babys who are incest arent mutated!!!!! i mean look at the omish! (no offence to the omish!) they arent "mutated"! they may be a little messed up in the head but they surly arent mutated!

 
wwwdontpushmenet
Jul 09, 2009
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gosh go take your pills lady i was just trying to make a point!

 
andre2552
Jul 09, 2009
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All love is love. However, while I do think they should be allowed rights of any other relationship, they should be banned from having children.

 
scarleta
Jul 09, 2009
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So far the only arguments against incest have to do with the child. So, try looking at the situation from the child's point of view.

If you were a child who had disabilities bacause your parents were related would you wish that your parents had never concieved you in the first place? Would you wish you had never been born just because f your disabilities? I suspect you would not.

So really the question is how do you justify brining a disabled child into the world as immoral if the child wanted to be born?

 
hottubwille
Jul 10, 2009
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Damn Frankie...I actually have to agree with you on something! Incest = eeuukk!

 
scarleta
Jul 10, 2009
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My point, which you seem to have missed, was that there is nothing immoral about having a disabled child.

The only possible argument that it is immoral would be to say concieving a child you know would be disabled constitutes cruelty to the child. However, as I demonstrated in my last argument, this is incorrect because the child can only exist as a disabled person, and I think the child would prefer to be alive and disabled to never having been born.

My argument has nothing to do with either abortion or prevention of pregnancy, which I view to be practically the same anyway, but has to do with the morality of the conception.

 
scarleta
Jul 10, 2009
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Why is gross immoral? Picking your nose is gross but most would not call it immoral.

 
wwwdontpushmenet
Jul 13, 2009
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yes my bad on the spelling


 
rationalist
Jul 13, 2009
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If we assume the Adam and Eve tale is true, then that would make us all related. I should make you aware that the only way you could know God doesn't permit the marriage of cousins now is because he told you personally. You said yourself that the Bible permits marriages between cousins, and after permitting it he never retracted his permission (according to the Bible, which is what you rely on for the information). It may not be necessary for the human race to survive, but I'm sure you commit unneccesary actions every day too. Something being unnecessary doesn't make it immoral. Bringing common sense into the equation when you refer to the bible is ridiculous. I hope I don't need to explain why it is.

 
princejordanc
Jul 13, 2009
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I personally would never engage in an incest relationship. However, a persons moral preference is justified by their own beliefs, not what other perceive as normal or socially accepting.

 


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