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Has the Bush Administration irreperably harmed US credibility in the world?
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sophist1181
Feb 06, 2007
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Yeah, they all hate us now!


sophist1181
Feb 06, 2007
6 convinced
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I live outside the US & for the first time I can remember I am encountering anti-americanism. It is not virulent or vicious per se...but there are certainly a higher prevelance of vicious critiques (usually through jest) of all things American. Whatever your opinions of other countries, it annot be denied that US moral and political leadership has taken a serious hit in the last eight years. The Pew Center has ill feelings towards american at an all time high, even in traditional bastions of pro-america feelings (i.e. Britain). The next president has an hell of a job to repair as best as possible this mess while still maintaining a leadership position.

 
re90
Feb 06, 2007
3 convinced
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I like how the people who answer "yes" are not from the US....it's the perfect proof.

 
importedgoods
Feb 06, 2007
2 convinced
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This arguement should be yeah because it hasn't harmed me whatsoever as im Australia and i should know if it has harmed it and i used to like america but now i think america is a bit overzealous

 
fiel4666
Feb 09, 2007
2 convinced
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Rebuttal to: capitalistocrat Show

I disagree that there is nothing that is irreparable. Death is open proof of that. And as far as no one still
carrying a grudge concerning Germany I would rebut that there are many older people in the Jewish
Community that would strongly disagree with that premise.

I would take the stand that we in so many ways are seeing the death of our credibility worldwide; and in that
sense, it is truly irreparable. Once trust is lost, it can never adequately be regained, whether on a personal,
local, state, national or international level. What built our credibility worldwide has historically been our
reliance on soft power, and the present predominance of the military industrial complex and philosophy and
preemptive war have made the demise of our credibility a foregone conclusion.

 
milkman
Feb 06, 2007
1 convinced
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THEY HATED US BEFORE BUSH!!!

 
joeschmoe
Feb 06, 2007
1 convinced
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"My answer is bring them on."—On Iraqi insurgents attacking U.S.
forces, George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., July 3, 2003

 
yingjai
Feb 13, 2007
1 convinced
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You must be ignorant to believe people actually see you as a liberator and not a conqueror. You must be a dumbass to actually believe you are a liberator.

 
denparb
Mar 02, 2010
1 convinced
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I live in Canada and there is much more of a dislike, i won't say hatred but dislike towards American's than ever before. My dad loves the USA, he says back when he was young during the 50's and 60's there was never this sort of tension between Canada and the USA. People can blame Bush but its the Amerian people themselves who give off the 'we are better than everyone, if you dont agree we will bomb you attitude" Bush is an idiot, even American's realize that but American people voted him in twice!! Unless of course its a conspiracy being he had recounts in both elections. Bush has surely left a bad mark on the view of American's which is unfair really because in general American's are alright people, sure they can be obnoxious and self centered, but they can also be caring and helpful when the time comes.

I think the image will turn with Obama in office,he has been left with a mess from Bush, but he just gives off a different vibe than Bush did,more positive. It's unfortunate for the general American public to been seen this way sometimes because it's usually government policies that other people will judge, not the quiet, caring family in small town USA that would help anybody in a heartbeat. Now being Canadian, there is always a rivalry in a sense because we are beside the USA, get slammed daily with all their propaganda and arrogance, but not sure why so many other countries dislike the USA so much, as i said i believe its the government policies because thats all they hear about especially Europe, why American's are so disliked there i can't say, or Latin America for that matter with people i know and chat with, they always call American's stinky gringo's for whatever reason. Maybe if American's quit acting like bullies and that they are better than everyone else because your not, then maybe American's would get more love. But only American's can change how they are perceived not anyone else.

 
xeno
Feb 06, 2007
0 convinced
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If America was the mona-lisa of the world during Clinton's Administration, it is now the mona-lisa with a gaping hole in it. That will never be repaired. I dont care if you bring the greatest artists, engineers and scientists together and give them an eternity, no self-respecting art fan will acknowledge any attempts to repair the mona-lisa as a perfect restoration. It will never happen.
They could get really close, and it might not be noticeable, but it'd never be the same in anyone's eye's. Da-Vinci would slit his wrists if he were still around.

I'm sure the founding fathers would do the very same.

 
brivapor
Feb 06, 2007
0 convinced
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the disrespect americans get abroad is crazy.

I was on a plane flying home from amsterdam about to land,stop-over, in iceland. all of a sudden i hear a murmer start to grow lowder,"Americans suck, Americans suck"

ok, what the hell is this, the plane lands everybody stands up, up a head of me i see a respectable older american couple being harrased by some punk ass dutch guy, the guy looked directly into the womans eyes and said americans suck, and everybody around him snickered.

I lost it at that moment, roared like a lion and with both fists hit the roof of the plain. The guy kinda shrank away

 
sbur
Feb 09, 2007
0 convinced
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Rebuttal to: capitalistocrat Show

What about the French.
Generally most people hate them becuse of their role in WW2. still sticks.

 
darkerdawn
Feb 13, 2007
0 convinced
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In the UK, politics and comedy do not mix. In the UK, Bush is seen as an idiot, we often see him on TV making a joke and trying to laugh off what seems to me like very serious matters. For instance if you recall the incident were George's mike wasn't turned off and a highly insensitive conversation was heard between Bush and Blair, well after this event Bush would often laugh it off in public saying such things as, 'Make sure the microphones off this time'.

This sort of thing just doesn't rub well with British politics, we are used to seeing our PM acting when embarrassed in a humble and yet defiant way, not simply laughing the matter off. This simply helps make the already strong anti-Americanism in this country strengthen and paints a picture that all Americans are like Bush, and that any country that could possibly vote an idiotic man such as Bush into office, stupid itself.

Of course this is a highly twisted view of Americans and Bush but one that is fast growing amongst the British public.

 
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They'll like us when we win!


capitalistocrat
Feb 06, 2007
10 convinced
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The view held by most people in this debate, and most likely most people on this website and outside of it, is one which is shortsighted and believes this truely is irreparable.

The key word in this debate which leads me to disagree is 'irreparable'. Nothing is permanent, nothing is irreparable, no one hates Germany today for what they did 60+ years ago, and when America either 'wins' (whatever that might relate to) or changes course, the opinion on americans shall also change.

 
necrodan
Feb 06, 2007
2 convinced
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I must agree with capitalistocrat that, whilst the US appears to be unpopular now, there is no guarantee that the damage to America's credibility is irreparable.
However, what I would perhaps argue is that the damage to George W Bush's own credibility is irreperable, but not America's.

 

Feb 06, 2007
2 convinced
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The country with the largest economy and military for almost 100 years running is going to catch flak from somewhere no matter what it does. The sad truth is, the United States can never please everyone.

Imagine if a sports franchise won their league's championship every year in a row for a century - I'm sure eventually there would be a large group of overzealous fans who hated that team and everything it stood for.

Ultimately, fifty years from now almost nobody will even know what exactly George W. Bush did. Public opinion is very susceptible to media influence, and we really don't know what's going to be on the news about the United States far in the future. There's really no way to make any long-term conclusions about foreign opinion of the United States.

 
joeschmoe
Feb 06, 2007
1 convinced
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Maybe not irreparably, but it did set the USA 100 years back. The only way that time frame can be shortened is if the American people keep their head down and make sincere efforts at patching things up.

 
awlasirius
Feb 10, 2007
1 convinced
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Rebuttal to: milkman Show

Mind you this is the 2nd Bush in office... Presidency has been crappy for decades spare Clinton

 
noir
Feb 13, 2007
1 convinced
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Rebuttal to: brivapor Show

It is precisely this reaction that the world hates about Americans.

The history of America is violent, and, often times, evil. Our historical response to any conflict is to react violently. In fact, we tend to be overzealous in our march to fight. We are a very warlike society.

In contrast, many of the countries that criticize America and its citizens are often much older than our country, more experienced, and have themselves often been the victims of war. If anyone in the world knows about war (and the loss it causes), it's the Europeans.

Americans are also paranoid and insecure. What we perceive as a threat is often mere posturing, or an attempt to save face. We overreact to everything, like spoiled teenagers.

Your attempt to prove your bravery or patriotism is precisely what the world distrusts about Americans. We fly off the handle, then smugly think we're justified in our response.

Congratulations!

 
vancam
Nov 06, 2007
1 convinced
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Rebuttal to: brivapor Show

You roared like a lion? Did you roar like a lion in Dutch or English?

 
reezer
Feb 06, 2007
0 convinced
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I think the real question is has George Bush irrepairably harmed George Bush's reputation. To which the answer is "yes".

Come '08, I think things will get better on the world stage.

 
wellwellwell
Feb 06, 2007
0 convinced
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they hate us until they want/need our money.
it's happened before.

irreparable is forever.
that's the word...Cannot Ever be repaired.

nothing humans do is forever.
the US / NASCAR / Microsoft will not last forever.
neither will any other man-made system.
entropy wins in the end.


 
mkultra
Feb 09, 2007
0 convinced
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Rebuttal to: xeno Show

Exactly when were we popular over seas? Have you ever heard the phrase "Yankee go home". This whole argument is a straw man that
makes you except the preemies that we were at one time popular. This is a myth. Who were we popular with the Chinese? the Russians? The Italians? The Arabs? I don't think so.
Even during the high holy days of the Blessed Clinton administration we were accused of sticking our nose where it didn't belong by Russia, Serbia, China, N. Korea, Iran, and others. We "Accidentally Bombed" the Chinese embassy. Do you think that was popular?This entire canard is setup by elitist limousine liberals to make it appear that we had credibility and were well liked when their boys were in office. Like Jimmy Carter. boy he was really well liked by the Arabs and the Russians wasn't he. And the Iranians liked him and the Whole country of the US when he was in office right?
Don't tell me that is worse now than ever because you have a survey. That means it is a matter of degrees because there has allways been massive Anti-American Sentiment in the world. We are not liked now and we will never be liked as long as we are strong and free. We are either going to be too aggressive for some people are not enough for others. The amount of buy in that the left has achieved in this ruse is stunning. I don't see it contradicted anywhere. Anyone that has taken the time to look at public opinion in the Europe knows that the media is crating Man
made weather on this and many other issues. If it is a matter of degrees, and I say it is, then I am not willing to subvert American policy to fit the whims of the mob over seas. That isnot what I call principled decision making.


 
nbcrusader
Feb 11, 2007
0 convinced
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Too bad many people don't remember the world's opinion of the United States back in the 1970's. Far worse that what we purportedly have today.



 
pacothelovemonkey
Feb 13, 2007
0 convinced
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everyone already hates, us. The second they need trouble they suddenly come crying to us. Too bad for them you can't be fair weather friends. Our Foreign Policy is not shaped by what's best for every other country, it's based on what is best for US.

 
noir
Feb 13, 2007
0 convinced
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We can easily repair the damage we have done. We simply need to perform a few good deeds.

For example,

1. We cure global warming, once and for all; preferably by doing something drastic and expensive.

2. We take the cure for Cancer that the Canadians recently discovered, and we pay to spread it around the world, cheaply. So no one will ever die of cancer again.

3. We invent and distribute the HIV Vaccine, cheaply, so everyone can have sex again without thinking they're gonna drop dead from it.

4. Global Porn Network.

5. McDonald's, Starbucks, and 7-11 every 2 miles, around the globe.

6. Free Nikes for all!

 
rizzo
Feb 13, 2007
0 convinced
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Nothing is permanent.

The world can't hate America if the world and America don't exist anymore, now can they?

 
dereksemeraro
May 27, 2007
0 convinced
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Don't roll with the haters. Roll with the warriors.

 
vancam
Nov 06, 2007
0 convinced
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Rebuttal to: wellwellwell Show

Can entropy be prevented... the last question according issac.

 
vancam
Nov 06, 2007
0 convinced
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Rebuttal to: noir Show

5 and 6 might be self defeating.

 


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