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Do American Solders Fight For Our Freedom?
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Jun 06, 2009
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American Solders Fight For Our Freedom


thoughtprocess
Jun 06, 2009
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I have to say JFloomis3 it is very commendable that you are asking the kinds of questions you are at your age. Whether people agree or disagree with your points it is unusual for young people to ask the kinds of questions you are.

My only advice to you would be not to focus so much on soldiers. Soldiers are not the ones who make the decisions to invade countries like Iraq or Vietnam. The government does. Many soldiers join the military for pride in country, to earn a living or to get an education. There are other soldiers who are violent and do commit crimes but the vast majority of them really believe they are defending the country. I don't think it is true either, but again this is not their fault.

You should focus on the government more because they are the people who make the decision to go to war. Soldiers are not the problem, politicians are.



 
thevenerablerob
Jun 06, 2009
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Soldiers fight for whatever reason they are told to fight. This depends on the situation. Vietnam was not a fight for the safety of the US, but it was a fight for Vietnamese freedom from Communism. The US being the Democratic superpower was the reason it maintained the backbone of the fighting for Democracy.

In Iran and Afghanistan, the soldiers aren't fighting for our freedom, per se, but they are fighting against terrorists. This will keep us safe from further terrorist attacks.

 
hottubwille
Jun 07, 2009
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I also commend you for this very thoughful question. I think this is such an excellent question for a young person to be asking. This concept is exactly how the military recruits and sells a career in the army to the parents of misguided youth and to the public at large. The idea that in the Iraq war and in Vietnam our sons/daughters are fighting for or have died for all our freedom is BS. They sell this idea around with such fever it makes the poor often uneducated folks buy into it.

If the freedom of our nation was at risk mostly everyone would be running to the army to fight. Just like in WWII. There was no need to tell people they were fighting for freedom because everyone knew it.

JFloomis3 - keep questioning everything. Question your teachers, your parents and your govenment. Think about the details of what you hear. In your mind challenge the logic behind what authority tells you. When the answers don't add up, ask more questions. Well done!

 
thevenerablerob
Jun 07, 2009
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Actually, it is the people's responsibility. : ) The Canadian Government can be toppled quite easily, if it becomes corrupted (with evidence) and the majority of elected Representatives vote for it. Or impeachment is also possible as an action.

And this is not exactly true. The Al Quada formed and operated from 1988 - far before the US launched the war on terrorism. It attacked both civilian and military targets, causing great devastation. Furthermore, many members are reported to have trained in Afghan camps. Also, the Iran Crisis took place before the invasion by the US. there were several similar reasons including those of the Gulf Wars in which Kuwait was endangered by a despot's greed.

 
blackkodiak
Jun 06, 2009
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I think it would be more accurate to describe them as "fighting for your stability" or, if you prefer, "fighting for the freedom of others". Your choice.

 
lordhaines
Jun 08, 2009
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No direct threat outside of Europe?

If Britain would have lost WWI then Germany would have gained control of her Empire through the peace terms. With Germany being Anti-US at the time, and jealous of the Empire, it is very logical to assume if Germany took control of the Empire then places like Canada would have been a direct threat to the US, and places like Aus and NZ would have been controlled by Germany.

It was ANZAC troops that either volunteered for service for the British Empire, or were already serving in the British Empire Army. Britain bore the brunt of the losses in that war, it refused to conscript the Empire masses into their war. It bankrupted itself, and almost lost everything to make sure that English speaking, English founded, English descended, English cultured Aus stayed as it was.

So show some respect that nearly a million British men died to make sure that Aus had a chance of freedom, a freedom that was already being talked about before WWI. And count yourself lucky Britain didn't send off millions of Empire troops for the slaughter to save their own men, because Aus wouldn't exist today if they did.

 
blackkodiak
Jun 08, 2009
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And that's why people treat you like a kid.

 
thevenerablerob
Jun 09, 2009
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"it is not our respondibitly to dismantel governments that we don't like. also, there were no terrorists in iraq before we invaded," ~ jfloomis3

And you call me a retard? Get your act together before you shoot your mouth off, kid. I was responding to the statement of yours that I have kindly placed in this post. Since I directly rebuttled it, you cuold easily have seen what I was responding to by clicking the 'show' button.

Saromo, soliders are dying in Iran and Afghanistan - does that answer your question? yes, people will die for their country. If a direct threat were shown to Britain, US or Canada, the soldiers would line up to fight for their country. Even people who are not in the military would go to a cronscription office to sign up in order to deter the impending threat - I would, for one.

As I have previously stated, many soldiers fight for honour, their country and their mates. Once yuo have become a soldier, you live with many other of yuor mates in a time of battle. These are men and women you fight with - form a comradeship with. Comrades to fight for the country.


 
thoughtprocess
Jun 06, 2009
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No problem Lonewolf. You just make sure you keep safe and take care.

Hey check out this video I think you might like it :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yEu892r89wU

It might not seem like much at first but it is pretty cool at the end of the video.

 
frankiej4189
Jun 07, 2009
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Not really.

 
hottubwille
Jun 08, 2009
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How about a 180, I think 360 would put us right back where we started. :D

 
thoughtprocess
Jun 08, 2009
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Damn Jloomis! You had so much promise.

 
thoughtprocess
Jun 08, 2009
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I have lost my cool before as well but you will get a lot more out of the site if you keep things cordial. Believe me this site is a great place for someone to learn things from others and develop ideas. You can only do that if people actually enjoy conversing with you.

 
xanthippa
Jun 19, 2009
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D-ugh!!!



 
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American Solders Do Not Fight For Our Freedom


jonjax71
Jun 06, 2009
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They fight under the false motto of "freedom" when in reality they are fighting for the benefits of the military and powers that be's interest

 
andre2552
Jun 06, 2009
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I hate that people use this to commend soldiers, as they do in my country for ANZACs. It's a lie. In WWI there was no direct threat to any country outside of Europe, why did we send our British slaves to go fight for Britain? In WWII, I can understand the US' involvement. They were neutral until there was a direct threat. In fact, in both the US and Australia, there were no direct threats in any war besides WWII (and in the US, the Civil War might count as for freedom.)

 
liberalthinker
Jun 06, 2009
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If I am counting right, the ratio of wars "fought for freedom" versus wars fought for capital dictated agenda, comes out to 1/ 12.

If history were to be the one who decides this debate, it is clear that American soldiers do not always represent "freedom". In fact more often then not, they are the oppressors, due to the vested interest of the administrations behind them. For whatever reason an individual goes to war is another story.

 

Jun 06, 2009
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why thank you Thoughtprocess, this soldier takes that to heart =] and I agree, politicians are the problem lol

 

Jun 06, 2009
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You hear people say that soilders are keeping us free; but how? How
did Vietnam, Iraq 2, Iraq 1, and other wars not
fought on US soil defend our freedom?

 

Jun 06, 2009
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Thank you for your compliment thoughtprocess! Usually people treat me like I am an idiot just because of my age. I agree with you on this question. I should have thought it over more thoroughly. May I challenge you to a debate? I feel we share the same political ideologies. Is there anything we don't agree on?

 

Jun 07, 2009
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it is not our respondibitly to dismantel governments that we don't like. also, there were no terrorists in iraq before we invaded,

 

Jun 07, 2009
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not really. when you hear on the media fight for freedom, they mean freeedom of us, the US

 

Jun 07, 2009
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I thank you greatly for your comment. SOmeday I hope to be a polititian. Although most people look down on that, I would change american 360 degrees.

 

Jun 07, 2009
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not really what

 

Jun 07, 2009
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I dont understand. please speak in context. People responsibility to do what? Is it that hard to write u retatrd.

 

Jun 08, 2009
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f**k you asshole

 

Jun 08, 2009
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go suck a cock u f**ker.

 

Jun 08, 2009
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If your friend blackkodiak wasnt such a dick, I woldnt have to talk like that

 
saromo
Jun 08, 2009
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While most of them are jocks who more likely than not couldn't get into college, They went to the military for benefits.
Would anyone really die for this country?
Just a thought
:c


 
andre2552
Jun 19, 2009
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Maybe a bit late, but yes, as I said, that is no direct threat. If we had the sense to be neutral or at least not slaves to the British, and act a bit more independently, though, unfortunately, we still aren't, we would have had no trouble whatsoever.

 
brmj
Jun 26, 2009
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They may have in the past and they may again in the future, but right now it's the hippies, activists, bloggers and journalists who "fight" for our freedom. At this point, the greatest threats to our freedom are entirely domestic, while the wars we are fighting have nothing to do with preserving our freedom.

 


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