Login/Sign Up




How aggravating is it that people who've never picked up a baseball/softball in their lifetime join in highly competitive leagues?
Sports

tricitymerchants11
May 31, 2009
2 votes
7 debaters
2


+ Add Argument

1
Very aggravating


tricitymerchants11
May 31, 2009
2 convinced
Rebuttal
I had the luxury of watching some opening day games/teams in my highly competitive softball league I play in. A few of the teams are brand new.

It made me sick just watching the lack of not only fundamentals, but lack of KNOWLEDGE for the game. There were teams that had a select few players who actually knew what the hell they were doing on a softball diamond. Many of the players' talents and abilities could be compared to those of Little Leaguers (8,9,10 year olds).

Why go through the embarrassment of entering a new team in a very competitive league only to make fools of yourselves? I don't get it.

I wouldn't join a team of a sport I had no clue how to play, NEVER MIND entering a full team!

It's ludicrous.

 
tricitymerchants11
Jun 01, 2009
0 convinced
Rebuttal
Rebuttal to: tricitymerchants11 Show

Dammit, I keep using the wrong "side" to use my rebuttal.

Anyway, my fellow baseball/softball buds on here, Frankie and JonJax, have any opinion on this topic??

 
unlabled00
Jun 01, 2009
0 convinced
Rebuttal
My buddy flipped when his team for a hockey league was 50% people who had never played... meanwhile there were players on university varsity teams playing on other teams. He quit :P

 
teachme
Jun 01, 2009
0 convinced
Rebuttal
Rebuttal to: thevenerablerob Show

I know, VR...I was just trying to get Tri's goat and stimulate the debate, is all. ;)

I know exactly where he's coming from. Truth be known...I've been a highly competitive athlete, most all of my life. My main competitive sports were swimming, horseback riding, and soccer...but I also competed in varsity basketball and softball (first base), throughout my high school years.

After high school, during the summer time, I played for a local softball team. It was with friends, who all knew the game (though some of us were better at it than others). We had a lot of fun and loved to party afterwards. We weren't anywhere near as competitive as Tri's team.

The most competitive I have been lately, is when I'm sailing in competitive races...either for a few hours, overnight, or a few days. A few years ago, I did some whitewater rafting, competitively...but, just for the day.

The other sports I do...canoeing, kayaking, recreational sailing, scuba, tennis, biking, hiking, etc...are just to relax, hang with friends, be close to nature, get some sun, exercise, and enjoy! :)

 
+ Add Argument

0
Not aggravating


tricitymerchants11
Jun 01, 2009
0 convinced
Rebuttal
Rebuttal to: teachme Show

No money, TeachMe, but trophies and t-shirts at the end. Each team gets a sponsor for league fees, uniforms, hats, etc.

The league I play in in Maine is known to be the best and most competitive in the state.

Easy win? Yeah thats great and all but to be honest, I go to play for competition not to enter a team that crushes everyone. What fun is that?

It aggravates me because I went that route before. I had my company sponsor a full team and then I was on my own to find players for it. Only 3 people played from the company itself. The rest of the players were pretty much compiled of a few of my friends and my wife's college friends who claimed they had "played before." Well, in short, we were the most embarrasing team on the diamond. We were crushed by everyone we played. It was a joke and a free-for-all.

I explained numerous times to the people who played on my team that it was a HIGHLY competitive league and that if they had any questions on how to play, the rules, etc. to ask. It was all free to them, no cash out of their pocket.

No one asked, everyone felt confident.

And they played ball like 10-year olds. It was sad.

 
tricitymerchants11
Jun 01, 2009
0 convinced
Rebuttal
Rebuttal to: thevenerablerob Show

Exactly! Good analogy.

I can't stand watching players, ESPECIALLY infielders, back off when a slightly-quick ground ball is hit to them. It's like, HELLO, what the hell do you think you're playing an infield spot for, DODGEBALL?!

I'm glad someone else understands my frustration.

If people want to play for FUN, then join a crappy league, grab some friends and go to a public park, hit around in someone's back yard.

But if you don't know what the hell you're doing, stay off a competitive diamond!

 
lordhaines
Jun 01, 2009
0 convinced
Rebuttal
How can the system allow this to happen?

Is their no tier system for these sports? Where new teams have to start in lower leagues and build their way up? Like a Premier Division, then a Second Division etc?

A question I have for any Americans out there... Is Rowing a big sport in the US, especially in Universities?
Because it is something I would imagine the Americans to take up, especially at Harvard, Yale, Princeton etc.

Would be good to have a cross Atlantic Rowing University regatta, Oxford, Cambridge and Durham against Harvard, Yale and Princeton or something lol. I know who would win... good old Oxford :p

 
teachme
Jun 01, 2009
0 convinced
Rebuttal
Rebuttal to: lordhaines Show

We call it "crew" here...and sure, it's a big sport! ...Bring it on, Oxford!!! ....We're game for the Atlantic Rowing Challenge!!!

 
jonjax71
Jun 02, 2009
0 convinced
Rebuttal
I agree that many persons that play in soft ball leagues are not skilled at all, some have minimal skills and then there are those like Tri and myself and I'd have to assume Frankie who is a big baseball fan. I played hardball most of my life including some semi-pro ball when I was in my late 20s doing some touring around the country. In my 30s and 40s I would play hardball in organized adult leagues in Brookside Park-adjacent to the Rose Bowl, a field now known as Jackie Robinson Park

My wife belongs to her teachers union softball league and we play 2-3 games in the summer at their picnics and that's child play for me, I just consume a 6 pack and play like the others

Back to Tri's point, your new league can not be a very serious or competitive league if they allow the lack of skilled players you mention, I would suggest you raise the level of competition by finding a better league, the league you're in sounds like one of those where eveyone plays for fun with 10 or 11 fielders instead of the standard 9

Find a fast pitch softball league, I gurantee you the level of skills and competition will be much higher

 
tricitymerchants11
Jun 02, 2009
0 convinced
Rebuttal
Rebuttal to: jonjax71 Show

JonJax, that league is very competitive. Unfortunately two or three teams dropped out from last year (either due of lack of sponsor, lack of players, whatever) so they had to invite 3 new teams to join from the waiting list. (There are like 20 teams total). Unfortunately the new teams are a joke so they will be easy wins.

Also, standard ASA (amateur softball assoc.) rules are to play 10 fielders at all times, 4 outfielders. Three outfielders is a killer. The field we play at is large, probably 350 to hit it out.

I do compensate the level of challenge by joining numerous tournaments around the state.

Now I dare to see a sh*tty team enter a double elimination tournament! That would be hilarious. Those tournaments are insanely competitive, especially Class A-B for men.

 
lordhaines
Jun 04, 2009
0 convinced
Rebuttal
Rebuttal to: teachme Show

Oxford uses Olympic/Professional standard athletes in all its sports. It pays them to do nothing but train. In fact... for the Rugby games it brings in professional players from all over the world to do a 'one-year course' so that they can play Rugby for them.

It is the same for the Rowing. Only Uni that could beat Oxford is Cambridge :P

 


Use these tags to find similiar debates

athletes Baseball Basketball bears Chicago colts football hockey Indianapolis NCAA nhl olympics rugby Soccer sport Sports Steroids super bowl superbowl vancam world series