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Should Tony Blair and George W. Bush be tried for war crimes for the invasion of Iraq?
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lordhaines
May 26, 2009
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Yes, because...


thales
May 27, 2009
3 convinced
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Bet you $20 that the Brits do not, in fact, feel they "owe America" for WW2.

 
thoughtprocess
May 26, 2009
2 convinced
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I believe I would. Wait, that's wrong. I would not be saying what VenerableRob said. Almost pulled the Bugs Bunny trick on me lol.

Say hypothetically, another country claimed the U.S. had WMD's (But we didn't, hypothetically) and decided to attack America and in the process over 100,000 Americans died, I think I would be calling for a little more than a war crimes trial.

 
lordhaines
May 27, 2009
2 convinced
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Britain doesn't owe America anything, we fought most of WWII by ourselves while you guys refused to help. We also did most of the world on D-Day, not that US children get taught that.

America is bigger than Britain, but we could easily have said no and been like the French- ethically correct lol.

It is because we are allies, and Britain is not a country to abandon it's allies in times of war. It will not stand by and watch American troops die when British troops can be stood at their side helping them.
We do what America doesn't do- help from the word go.

 
lordhaines
May 27, 2009
2 convinced
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Rebuttal to: thevenerablerob Show

It wasn't a war against terror. it had nothing to do with that. it was a war against Saddam, without evidence of any weapons of mass destruction. it was because they didn't like him. Now it is about oil. America basically owns the Iraq oil business. Coincidence?

According to international law to invade another country in an act of war without due reason, or without being attacked first is a war crime. Therefore they should be tried as war criminals.

 
dkturner
May 27, 2009
2 convinced
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Rebuttal to: thevenerablerob Show

Quote: "...neither of these men should be tried for war crimes because they weren't committing mass evil in the face of the war against terrorism."

You want to fight terrorism? How about starting with Saudia Arabia, where most of the 9/11 hijackers came from? Oh wait, Saudi Arabia is a "friend".

Well, how about North Korea? It surely is now a bigger threat to America than Osama bin Laden. Hell, they're bragging about having the nukes that the Bush administration desperately wanted to prove Saddam had (despite not having a shred of credible evidence). Hmm, but... North Korea has been tried before. Turns out it's a pretty difficult bug to squash. Wouldn't want another embarrassment.

The invasion of Iraq had nothing to do with a "War on Terror". There were plenty of reasons to support it, but those weren't the reasons the Bush administration gave. They lied. They invaded a country on a flimsy pretext. Without the support of the United Nations.

Merely on the basis of international agreements which the US is party to, that constitutes a war crime. As a matter of law, the perpetrators should be brought to trial.

Of course, America is too much of a heavyweight for that to happen. So it gets away with flouting the agreements it made with other countries.

Hmm, that sounds familiar.... I seem to recall a certain East Asian country doing something similar.

 
thoughtprocess
May 26, 2009
1 convinced
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Would you be saying that if you were an Iraqi?

 
thoughtcriminal
May 26, 2009
0 convinced
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Torture.

 
frankiej4189
May 26, 2009
0 convinced
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Put them all on trial so we can get past this. If they're found guilty, that really sucks. If they're found innocent, we can move on.

 
lordhaines
May 28, 2009
0 convinced
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"class is supposed to take over isn't it?"

What do you mean? I do not understand I am afraid.

If you are implying Tony Blair had class then that makes me laugh, he was far from it. Do not be fooled by his well spoken manner, he led the most anti-class and anti-establishment party in Britain ever. New Labour Party were for the bloke down the pub, not for the classy. That would be the Conservatives, and David Cameron.

 
lordhaines
May 28, 2009
0 convinced
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Thank you. It is true.

Since the end of the Revolutionary War Britain and America have been close. We may take the mick out of each other, dislike each other in most aspects lol, but when it comes to wars no two allies have stood by each other more.

Maybe the language helps, easier to talk to an American than our other close allies- the French lol.

We may not like each other, but deep down we stand next to each other in battle with an almost sense of pride.

America forgets that Britain is bankrupting itself in the Iraq and Afghanistan wars. Our troops are overstretched and we have no money for equipment, yet we still stand there and fight above our weight.

 
dkturner
Jun 16, 2009
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Tell you what, why not declare Bush & co unlawful combatants, and try them by military tribunal (with waterboarding and all that good stuff) before Guantanamo is closed?

 
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thevenerablerob
May 26, 2009
1 convinced
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That's absolute nonsense. The fact that they are the two largest powers in the world (besides China), may have soemthing to do with their companionship. Blaire most definitely didn't suck up to Bush.

And neither of these men should be tried for war crimes because they weren't committing mass evil in the face of the war against terrorism.

 
brivapor
May 26, 2009
0 convinced
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why did Blair suck up so much to Bush

he seemed so classy, why why why

is it because US and Britain are joined at the hip, America is big and stronger so Britain just does everything America asks

or is it that Britain feels they owe America for WW2

 
frankiej4189
May 26, 2009
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Would you?

 
brivapor
May 27, 2009
0 convinced
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I wasnt saying that BritAIn did owe the US anything, just trying to find out what is in the hearts of Britain, he seemed like such a lap dog, to Bush, class is suposed to take over isnt it?

 
watchman81
May 27, 2009
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As an American, I must say that was very well said Lord Haines.

 


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