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What non-curricular subjects should be taught to every child in school?
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lordhaines
May 19, 2009
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First Aid


lordhaines
May 20, 2009
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Why not ban guns all together then?

I know it is in your constitution, but other countries survive without having legal guns on them. it can only lead to problems, not solve them.

British police (I know as I used to be a Police Officer here) are one of the few Police Services worldwide that still refuses to carry firearms. If you can't solve a problem by talking to someone or physically restraining them then you have gone the wrong route about it. I understand the US police need guns because it is legal to posses them over there. indeed it is legal here too, but it isn't our right, we have to prove it is for sporting, work or hunting means, not protection.

Sex education should come from the parents more than the schools. Having a personal touch to the dangers of unprotected sex will help it stick in more.

In Britain we have a law called the 'Samaritan Clause' whereby if you attempt to do first aid on someone and you have not been trained, and it goes wrong, you can not be sued or prosecuted, because you have tried to do the right thing.
I heard of cases in the US where people were sued by family members when they did first aid and did some damage. Pathetic. Suing people only adds a monetary value to everything in life, which is a bad thing.

 
lordhaines
May 21, 2009
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I used to be a Police Officer, and I can say you argument is flawed, especially in the UK. people are protected by law if they attempt to save someone's life and it goes wrong. It is called the Samaritan Clause. There are only a couple of cases in the UK since the 1980s where someone has attempted what they saw on TV-which was wrong- and killed someone. REAL training would make sure they aren't ignorant about what is right and wrong. it does not mean they have to then use those skills, it can mean they know NOT to use those skills too. It is better to have the knowledge and decide not to use it then need to use it and not have the knowledge.

I have seen many suicide cases where people didn't know what to do to a friend or family when they were in critical condition and just looked at them and phoned an ambulance. They died before ambulance got there and they could never live with themselves for not doing anything. I am not in the minority who say one case every couple of years of First Aid going wrong means that the thousands of cases that go right should be null and void.

We are not saying you do not call an ambulance, but when you do call the operator they always give instructions on what you can do to help until the professionals arrive. if you have done some form of first aid then you are not in the dark about how it works in practice. First aid is different to emergency aid. Emergency aid is someone is about to die and you have to save them. First aid can be anything from a cut to just below emergency aid. An awful lot of money would be spent on A&E (don't know the American equivilant of Accident & Emergency I'm afraid:s) because people knew how to bandage themselves of whatever.

So as you wrongly said...

Done and done.

 
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Basic Law


lordhaines
May 20, 2009
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Teach the pupils of America about the world too? Every American I have ever met hasn't got a clue about anything outside of the US, I know this isn't everybody, but they weren't uneducated people either, which worried me, perhaps they just ignored those classes.

Also an unbiased history curriculum will gain the US respect around the world. Many people here in the UK despise US History classes for things like D-Day, when you exclude to mention that the British Empire took three beaches that day, the US only 2. And we lost far less men, and did less of a job at making mistakes.

Sounds like I am having a go at you personally here, but I am not :s


 
lordhaines
May 19, 2009
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My personal opinion is that EVERY child in the UK (and probably any country you are reading this from) should be taught basic First Aid. The amount of lives that could be saved or helped if everyone knew a little bit of First Aid is incredible. Someone hurts themselves in the street, instead of panicking and screaming for help, they might calmly help then phone for professionals.

Secondly, I think EVERY child should be taught basic Law in school. I find it not only disgraceful that someone can be sent to prison without knowing his crime could be against the law, but against human rights. If we are never taught word for word what is against the law, then how can we justifiably be punished for breaking it? If it was taught in schools then there can be no excuse for breaking the law.

 
lordhaines
May 22, 2009
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It is easy to save a life, I have done it myself.

Basic CPR can keep a brain alive, but still be inactive, until an ambulance arrives.

Your argument would also be that the few cases of people not knowing CPR and still doing it and saving someone's life are wrong. This is obviously not true.

I think the majority of people would rather have someone attempt to save their lives, break a few ribs, and have them live, than sit there and do nothing because of your argument that the general public are inept at such things.

 

May 19, 2009
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I don't know about you, but here in Virginia, United States our school system is required to teach First Aid as part of Health, and Law as part of US Government.

What NEEDS to be taught is gun safety courses. With proper instructions if people knew the dangers, the proper care and treatment of firearms I can assure you, accidental gun crimes would be almost non existant and it would help illuminate the world to the good and the bad of guns.

Funny how sex ed is being forced upon schools when more people die by AIDS each year then guns, and yet the argument for not teaching gun safety is the danger of guns. Sounds kind of silly to me.

 
frankiej4189
May 19, 2009
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Including both Macro and Micro integraded into the same course (its not that hard to do). This class would teach our students how the US ecnonomy, as well as other nation's, functions, rises, and falls. It would also teach students the nature of consumption and how to be a responsible and informed consumer.

 
frankiej4189
May 20, 2009
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I didnt say anything about history in my post so i dont know where you're getting the inspiration for your rebuttal from.

 
frankiej4189
May 20, 2009
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First aid taught to everyone? Absolutley not. I have no statistics to back me up but i'm very sure that there are hundreds of cases where a person who thinks they know CPR tries to recesitate someone who is having a heart attack, breathing problem, fainting, stroking, seizuring, etc... and they end up killing the person by either crushing their ribcage and puncturing the lungs, or by performing the breathing techniques incorrectly i.e. breathing too often, not enough...

CPR and life saving first aid is NOT EASY. I'll say it again, NOT EASY. The more people walking down the streets who THINK they know CPR, the worse off we'll be. Even if they take some course funded by public education, they'll most likely forget the technique entirely but when they see someone turning blue on the sidewalk 10 years later they'll think to themselves "Hey i took a CPR class 10 years ago, i bet i could help this guy" and instead of calling an Ambulance like your SUPPOSED to do, they'll try and save his life and end up killing him.

Done and Done.

 
frankiej4189
May 21, 2009
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I've read your rebuttal twice. It hasn't swayed my belief about people being stupid as a whole and generally incapable of doing something as important and hard as saving a life.

 
lordhaines
May 26, 2009
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I heard that a lot of US officers get shot with their own gun?! So if they didn't ALL carry them they might be safer.

British police have to deal with guns, but only specialist ARV units carry guns.

 
melonchollylife
Oct 01, 2009
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But that's when they THINK they know CPR. If they really DID, wouldn't that help? So they could make it like Drivers ed., they have to be tested again every 2 years or so.

Public funding would suck though, that's a really good point.

Maybe some company like Kaiser Permanente or the Red Cross could help.

 


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