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Nature of Truth
Philosophy

idiminish
May 15, 2009
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Truth is absolute


watchman81
May 15, 2009
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Truth can be defined as "that which conforms to reality." Are there some truths that are relative? Yes. But there are absolute truths that transcend our points of view. Some things are true regardless of whether or not we believe they are.

 
frankiej4189
May 16, 2009
1 convinced
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Math and most of science are absolute. 3 of one thing added to 4 of another thing will ALWAYS give you 7 things. It is absolute, there is no argument that can suggest anything else.



 
jonjax71
May 15, 2009
0 convinced
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the only absolute truth is death, all other truths are relative

 
asimpleman
May 15, 2009
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Objective truth must to have this debate.

If I were to say that truth is relative, I have a serious logical problem. (Obviously, the first problem is that I just stated an absolute which undoes my statement anyway, but let's ignore that and consider other problems).

By definition, relative truths, at some point, must not be true. So consider the statement itself: truth is relative. If this were so, then the statement would at some point not be true. Thus, at some point there is an absolute truth. Since the truth is absolute (i.e. true at all points), the initial statement must be false because it becomes its own contradiction.

 
brivapor
May 16, 2009
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2+2=4

 
omniscient
May 17, 2009
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Isn't it absolutely true that it's safer to look both directions before crossing a street?

Two points?

 
swtlilsoni
May 18, 2009
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Rebuttal to: brivapor Show

wrong. when you're using a different base, its the same thing as saying 1+1=2 except in a sort of code. It just comes down to the definitions you give to the numbers, but what entire statement says remains the same.

 
thoughtcriminal
May 18, 2009
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Rebuttal to: brivapor Show

swtlilsoni is right, of course. You're intentionally confusing the statement with the proposition it encodes.

 
choccersthelegend
May 20, 2009
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Could it also be the case that arguments to try and show the relativity of truth are based not upon whether the truth itself is relative but our postion and outlook upon that truth?

 
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Truth is relative


brivapor
May 16, 2009
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1+1=10 and also 2

 
frankiej4189
May 16, 2009
1 convinced
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Rebuttal to: watchman81 Show

Took the words out of my mouth

 
jonjax71
May 15, 2009
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All truths are relative except for death, that's the only absolute truth

 
thoughtcriminal
May 20, 2009
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Rebuttal to: choccersthelegend Show

I would suggest that, once again, people are confusing statements with propositions. The statement "I am ThoughtCriminal" maps to a different proposition when I say it than when you do, and only one of those propositions happens to be true.

 


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