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Black Panthers: Good or Bad?
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3pointer
Apr 21, 2009
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accipiter
Apr 21, 2009
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Social upheaval is always a good thing. Any group who feels their level of power is not equal to the status quo and do nothing to change it have no fall back position from which to complain. The Black Panther movement of the 60s created a tremendous amount of concern and fear in the established norm of the day. They were regarded as something to be feared and for good reason. They were prepared to do what was necessary to ensure change.
Their methods, while violent and scary, were no different than the methods employed by numerous other groups throughout history to claim what they thought to be a rightful place in the world.
The only people with something to fear were the very people who had employed similar methods, either directly or indirectly, to gain their own particular status.
Generally speaking, it is only the people with the most to lose who attack those who are seeking to rise.

 
accipiter
Apr 23, 2009
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While the doctrine was sound and had laudable merits, the simple fact of the matter is that the black panthers believed they were in a fight for their lives. That being the case, the recruiting drive often included people willing and able to fight for their cause. Anytime you recruit on that basis, you also attract those willing to take on the role of soldier. The mentality of a soldier is, generally speaking, to fight for your side. (before people go crazy with that statement and offer up all the exceptions to the rule please note I said generally speaking) The soldiers range from mercenary to zealot and present their own type of control concerns. There were bank robberies, arsons and vandalism incidents attributed, rightly or wrongly to the panthers. It was often way too easy to pin many of the criminal acts on the panthers and make people who were in no way associated with the fight, fear for their safety. The terrorist label is not a new one.
Huey Newton cannot reasonably, be called a terrorist for his doctrine because he did have cause for his actions, no more than he can be called a bad leader because other people did things in the name of the organization for their own ends.
I believe the panther organization was a good thing for its time and did cause a change to the status quo. Whether part of the organization or not, the cause did provide many black youth a sense of belonging, not just locally in Oakland but on the national stage. There was a sense that they were no longer going to accept racial bigotry as the way of the world and showed them that other options existed.


 
3pointer
Apr 22, 2009
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Rebuttal to: jonjax71 Show

They weren't founded solely on that point as I am sure you know. Huey P. Newton drafted an entire 10 point Constitution for the party that included goals ranging from retribution to the black communities, to acheive better housing, to the stoppage of police brutality of the racist Oakland PD. I feel the Black Panther Party has been falsely portrayed as gun-toting commies when really they were there to empower the black communites through education and strength. Truly Black Power.

 
3pointer
Apr 23, 2009
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Rebuttal to: denverdannydee Show

Looks like you did extensive research on the BPP. (thats sarcasm incase you didn't catch it denverdanny)

1. Black Panthers were NOT the "black musilms" as you so incorrectly deemed them. The "black muslims" were apart of the Nation of Islam under Elijah Muhammed. Not the Black Panthers

2. They were causing troubles for the police? Have you been sheltered your entire life? In what paradigm do you live in in which the police are always 'the good guys?' Police brutality due to racism was rampant in this era. So Huey and company decided to LEGALLY OBSERVE the police officers.

3. Scary Looks? what is that supposed to mean?

4. Doing crime? robbing banks? selling drugs? These are all things the BPP fought against in the black communities. Huey tried to rid the communites of the drug dealers to immprove the living conditions of these oppressed Americans.

5. Buying arms to destroy the country? The civil rights movement destroyed the country. Wow, I am flabberghasted at your ability to reason deeply.


Maybe next time you break wind you should record it, because it will be much more intelligent than your post.

 
jonjax71
Apr 21, 2009
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A black panther is a black (melanistic) color variant of one of several species of larger cat which are known by the term panther in various parts of the world. "Panther" in North America is most commonly used for the cougar [1] (genus Puma) [2], in Latin America it is most often used to mean a jaguar and elsewhere in the world it usually refers to the leopard (both genus Panthera). The name "panther" is often limited to black individuals, but it is also used to refer to those which are normally-colored for the species (tawny or spotted), or to white panthers.

Any other comment by yours truly could be interpreted as a conflict of interest


 
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blackkodiak
Apr 22, 2009
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A perfect answer.

 
unlabled00
Apr 23, 2009
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Question jonjax: are there panther cougars? ie. an older black female individual who has a weakness for young men?

Cross-breeding felines has always been an interest of mine :P

 
jonjax71
Apr 22, 2009
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Rebuttal to: accipiter Show

Just an historical clarification without opining

The proper name of the organization in question was
The Black Panther Party for Self-Defense and it was founded in 1966 as a way to protect citizens from the rampant police brutality occuring with impunity for the perpetrators in the city of Oakland California

 
denverdannydee
Apr 23, 2009
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They were terrible because they forced my Black Christians brothers and sisters to sell out Jesus and go to Mohammed and become Black Muslims. My father tells me that they had an office in Denver in the late 60s and caused nothing but troubles for the police and God beliving residents with their scary looks and doing crime, robbing banks, stealing and selling drugs to get money to buy their arms to destroy this country

 
jonjax71
Apr 24, 2009
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Rebuttal to: 3pointer Show

Thanks so much for speaking the truth about the B P P for Self Defense. I have purposedly stayed away from opining because this is a subject near and dear to me, a group and era that shaped my mindset and although I have evolved instead of staying stagnant it is still part of my essence

But of course the party has been portrayed falsely by the media, they had to then and have to now, plus let's not forget J Edgar and the COINTELPRO among other government plots to infiltrate, portray falsely and destroy the B P and other organizations that went against the staus quo or threatened their positions

The BP was about education as you correctly stated, they served breakfast to grammar school kids in poor neighborhood regardless of color or ethnicity, they gave life lessons as well as hisotry not taught in schools. They worked with SNCC to get the vote for southern Blacks who could not vote.

 
jonjax71
Apr 24, 2009
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Rebuttal to: 3pointer Show

Again, great retort to bible thumper Denver Danny Dee

One thing though, The Nation of Islam, the NOI were the Black Muslims, it was the media's name for them in order to single them out from Muslims as a whole, it is a codefied term, kinda like urban youth is today

I guess in the yahoo cowboy dusty cowtown that was Denver and its white people in the 60s, seeing proud-confident, Black people with berets would be scary because they wanted to see shufflin-happy-singin kneegrows.

 


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