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Worst representitive of the right wing?

First he complimented Barack Obama's "tan", then he played hide and seek with the German leader. He has even annoyed the Queen by being too loud.

Now Italian Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi ...
vancam
Apr 04, 2009
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George W Bush


jonjax71
Apr 04, 2009
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Rush Limbaugh
Sean Hannity
Mel Martinez

 
hottubwille
Apr 06, 2009
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Ann Coulter - nuff said!

 
hottubwille
Apr 13, 2009
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So, by not too bad you must mean that being ripped out of your homeland because some tribal cheif has a grudge against you, shipped across the world and held against your will for seven years without a trial or due process is not to bad then...well okay. Maybe you should sign up for that deal? For me, I think that is pretty darned bad in a world of pretty darned bad stuff. Coulter goes on in her article and in typical fashion rants against Obama for not fixing, to her satisfaction, Bush's blunders. It's as if you drove a big bus down a dead end street and then stood back and gave me crap because I was not backing it out fast enough.

As far as her attacking 911 widows, I guess I'll ask you which offense is the most reprehensible...the outside possibility that the wanted to raise public awareness of their spouses deaths or the clear publicity stunt Coulter perpetrated by attacking them.

In case you missed it, Coulter is no longer invited on TV to speak. Even Fox runs away from her 90% of the time. She's evil and should be ignored.



 
hottubwille
Apr 13, 2009
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Rebuttal to: undeniabledilemma Show

This is right off her web site. This is why Coulter is bad for America and bad for her neo-con right wing party. These comments are stupid, regardless of the context...so don't go telling me I took it out of context.

"Gun-toting Americans are clearly more self-sufficient than the sissy Europeans. This is great news for everyone except Barney Frank, who's always secretly wondered what it would be like to be taken by a Somali pirate."


 
hottubwille
Apr 14, 2009
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Rebuttal to: undeniabledilemma Show

You make a fine point here when you said, "So you are saying that you are allowed to have mean spirited opinions about people that you dislike for their actions, but the reason you have that opinion is because The person you have them about had mean spirited opinions about people that they disliked."

The answer to your question is YES! That is exactly what I am saying. Don't forget the topic of the debate is to select the worst representative of the right. By your own admission above Ann Coulter is mean spirited and I totally agree with you. I can think of no one else who represents the right who is more mean spirited, more vile, more accusatory, more off base with her ideas then Ann Coulter. So, yes, yes, yes this is why I call her an evil b*tch and this is why she is the perfect choice. Do we agree? Is this sinking in for you?

BTW - I don't say mean spirited things for print in the newspaper, I'm not on TV accusing people of horrible stuff, I don't write books saying these things to make money either. But, if I did and I was a public representative of the left then maybe I'd be the worst. Are you getting how this works? Ann Coulter is vile because she is a very mean person and adds nothing to the public debate. She is generally ignored because even the other far right wing nut jobs see her for what she is. She is in it to make cash and she'll say anything to get attention no matter what it is or who she needs to hurt. So, she indeed is the worst.

And, the answer to your last question sir is, yes again. I do have the right to have mean spritied opinions about people based on their actions. Everyone does this every day. What's your opinion about Bernie Madoff considering his actions and what he did to his friends and the public - you think he's a nice guy? Don't you have some mean spirited opinions about the person who rapes or kills? The difference between me and them is that I am reacting to their horrible actions in a judgemental manner. I get to do this and feel pretty good about it and not be disregarded and hated. They get to be despised...

 
hottubwille
Apr 14, 2009
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Rebuttal to: undeniabledilemma Show

Here is Neocon from Wikipedia..this is online tool you too can use to look up words and stuff - you should check it out it is used a lot here on this site, "Neoconservatism is a political philosophy that emerged in the United States. Its key distinction is in international affairs, where proponents view bringing freedom and democracy to other parts of the world, through military interventionism and nation building, as fulfilling a moral imperative to bring American values to the rest of the world."

As far as the rest of this post goes...I barely know where to begin with you. Your John Wayne attitude and overall lack of historical information and facts makes you...well it makes you so typical of so many in the right wing who share your attitudes. Your easy prey for the right because you get all caught up in your nationalism rehtoric and you have zero foundation of information to think objectively. You would rather eat the garbage your getting fed then do some research and thinking on your own. So, I'll try to enlighten you here, and I hope your going to listen.

If the USA had been smart enough to listen to the French (our Allies and friends) or any of the other NATO allies who asked us not to invade Iraq we would not have blundered our way into a pointless and costly war that has pretty much ruined this country. As far as WWII goes, you need to learn some history. Did you know that it was France that declared war on Germany after Germany invaded Poland? The act of a sissy - right? I suppose you think any countries military on the losing side of a battle or war are sissys? How about the brave souls who died defending their country allover Europe in the late 30's? How about the English who held a stiff upper lip during their finest hour - do you know what this is? And, even after their country was occupied the French had an active resistance movement. Go read about the Battle for France and the Marquis movement - go read something for pete sake that was not written by Rush or Sean or Ann or any of the other revisionist, right wing fruitcakes.

Here's some more real history for you, if it were not for the French the American Colonies would likely have not defeated the English here in the USA. The French - Sissys then too? The US reluctantly went into WWII after Pearl Harbour. We should have gone in years earlier to help our European allies, but we didn't want to, go look up the Monroe Doctrine for the reasons - did that make us sissys? We may not have survived Normandy if the French underground had not assisted us with intelligence and military support. By the time we got involved with WWII it was for our own safty. Not out of some benevolent desire to free Europe from the Nazi's.

Are you like...in high school? What are they teaching you there? I am going to challenge you to start thinking outside the box your parents and your religon has put you into. The world, the people in the world and the events that shape the world are hardly ever close to what your told and what people would like yo to believe. This is a basic starting point for you to become a thinker rather then a parrot. Good luck.

 
jonjax71
Apr 05, 2009
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No, The Factor MAn is not as stubborn nor as closed minded as let's say Hannity and he has much more of a decent personality most of the times. I even agree or semi-agree with a few of his viewpoints

 
hottubwille
Apr 06, 2009
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What are these "level headed conservatives you speak of"? Have you seen them? I think my grandpa used to talk about these creatures! :P

 
hottubwille
Apr 06, 2009
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Glen Beck - has he actually lost his mind or is he hitting the crack pipe?

 
hottubwille
Apr 12, 2009
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She is the worst kind of hypocrite who will say the most outrageous rightwing BS she can think of to sell her books. She accused the 911 widows of greiving for publicity and enjoying their husbands deaths - that alone is enough. She's an evil b*tch from hell who adds NOTHING of substance to the discussion.

You tell me why you love her so much?



 
vancam
Apr 15, 2009
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I guess you were completely wrong about the French:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/8000447.stm

 
vancam
Apr 18, 2009
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More European sissy's in todays news...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/8005730.stm

 
jonjax71
Apr 05, 2009
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Yup, many more to choose from alive and dead, I am hoping others chime in, be it pro or con

 
hottubwille
Apr 07, 2009
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Right on!

 
hottubwille
Apr 15, 2009
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Actually, I did. There are two posts here. Please read the one above. Regards

 
vancam
Apr 26, 2009
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Yet more sissy Europeans...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/8019084.stm

 
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Silvio Berlusconi


frankiej4189
Apr 05, 2009
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I can stomach O'Reilly more than i can Limbaugh or Hannity. I know anything associated with Fox News around here gets poo-pooed but O'Reilly IMO makes the occaisional good point.

 
thales
Apr 15, 2009
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Hey, now: I resemble that remark....

 
vancam
Apr 04, 2009
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Yes, I think I should have written 'worse' rather than 'worst', as there is clearly far more to choose from.

 
apathetic
Apr 05, 2009
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No Bill Oreilly?

 
frankiej4189
Apr 06, 2009
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I think the worst part of all of this is that a lot of people think; Ann Coulter, Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Glen Beck, and O'Reilly are representatives of the Conservative ideal. It makes level headed conservatives lose credibility.

 
frankiej4189
Apr 06, 2009
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I'm gunna go on ahead and assume that he's actually lost his mind due to the crack pipe.

 
undeniabledilemma
Apr 11, 2009
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Explain why Rush Limbaugh is bad or Sean Hannity. I don't know Mel Martinez...so I'll grant you that one since I'm not super familiar with his work.

 
undeniabledilemma
Apr 11, 2009
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Explain why Coulter is bad

 
undeniabledilemma
Apr 13, 2009
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It might be true that she accused SOME 911 widows of grieving for publicity, but then two things must be asked. One, is it possible to grieve for publicity? I would say yes...it is possible. Then if it's possible the next question becomes, was Coulter correct? Can you summon the article that she says this in, I'm aware of it but not it's full context and I believe that when I read it she seemed to make pretty good sense of why she made the claim. In other words she offered fairly good evidence that this is what they were doing. So then if it's possible that people can do such a thing, and if these people were really doing what she claimed, what do you have against a person speaking against it?

I like her because no matter how much they fact check her, her facts are impeccably accurate. She exposes things I never would have known of time and time again if it wasn't for her. She has had very good informative pieces about a great many varied topics.
I will offer you one exceptional one from her weekly archives. In this she shows that the U.S. treatment of prisoners at Gitmo isn't as bad as some people would have you believe. There are again a number of facts she presents in the case that I would challenge you to find reported in more conventional news programs like cnn, abc, cbs, fox, etc. I would ask you read the article then pass judgment on her ability to offer good arguments and credible evidence and contributions to a discussion that you just don't get elsewhere. Let me know what you think.

http://anncoulter.com/cgi-local/article.cgi?article=285


 
undeniabledilemma
Apr 14, 2009
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Rebuttal to: hottubwille Show

Neo-con=please define

I don't need to tell you that you took it out of context.

Two part statement
part 1
"Gun-toting Americans are clearly more self-sufficient than the sissy Europeans"--
Response.
This is accurate. What's wrong with this statement? What did NATO tell Obama about helping fight radical Islam in Afghanistan? No combat troops. Why? They are sissy's.

What did France do when Germany attacked? Roll over and give up. Why? They are sissy's. What was the result, Americans had to sacrifice their blood and young men's lives to liberate France on D-day.

What happened when the French tried to rescue their hostages? One of the hostages was killed.
What happened when America tried to rescue it's hostages? Hostage was not killed, all pirates killed or captured.

I think this first part of the claim is pretty reasonable.

Second part of statement
"This is great news for everyone except Barney Frank, who's always secretly wondered what it would be like to be taken by a Somali pirate."---
Response
This is clearly a joke. Albeit yes she is making fun of Barney Frank. This is very similar to what anyone who does stand up comedy does when they make fun of someone. Please see Saturday night live and the various mockeries of Palin and Bush and other Conservatives. What's wrong with making fun of someone? It's ok to make fun of conservatives but not to make jokes about liberals? I fail to see how. Please explain.

 
undeniabledilemma
Apr 14, 2009
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Incidentally in this post you attack Ann Coulter and call her an "evil b*tch from hell".
You obviously agree with what you are saying. Does this mean that because you have called a person an Evil b*tch from hell that all the rest of what you say should be completely disregarded. You would respond, "no because I think it's true"
ok.
no problem.
So you are saying that you are allowed to have mean spirited opinions about people that you dislike for their actions, but the reason you have that opinion is because The person you have them about had mean spirited opinions about people that they disliked. Is this sinking in? You seem to think that only you are entitled to have a mean spirited opinion and that if someone you don't agree with has one, then that person is rendered a hypocritical person and should be disregarded, despised and hated.
Should you then be disregarded, despised and hated? What makes your right to have mean spirited opinions about people due to their actions trump other people's right to also have mean spirited opinions about people based on their actions?

 
vancam
Apr 14, 2009
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I just had to say, that was a superb post. I've been following this discussion and if I were you I must admit I would have given up a good while ago int he belief that some people you just can't change... hopefully this post proves me wrong. I would certainly be happy if that were found to be the case.

 
undeniabledilemma
Apr 14, 2009
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hottub

Will get to your most recent point soon. In the meantime you have not responded to my post about your attack on Ann when you yourself demonstrate the same character.

 


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