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Is it ethical for Valentine2010 to stack the deck?
Philosophy

democritus
Feb 05, 2007
13 votes
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Ethical to cheat on Conviceme.net?


bigwillie
Feb 05, 2007
5 convinced
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Pardon my language, but that's f**king bullsh*t.

That asshole screwed me over.

 
bigwillie
Feb 05, 2007
2 convinced
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Rebuttal to: valentine2010

How do you explain all these victories you're receiving? There's no way your winning all of these. You won our debate in a pretty short amount of time.

http://www.convinceme.net/viewDebate.php?dib=78

 
irondebater
Feb 06, 2007
2 convinced
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Nevermind, I retract my old statement in support of valentine. He did the same thing to me so I think he is voting for himself

 
bigwillie
Feb 05, 2007
1 convinced
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Rebuttal to: valentine2010

The thing is not one of your debates warranted such a one-sided victory.

 
bigwillie
Feb 05, 2007
1 convinced
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Have any of you actually read some of his debates? He barely types in coherent English, and his points are half-baked at best. Yet he manages to win by a large margin in pretty quick fashion. There's no way his wins are legitimate.

 
sophist1181
Feb 06, 2007
1 convinced
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Rebuttal to: valentine2010

I'm sorry my Machiavelliam friend, but you are being a bit too defensive here; not to mention vulgar. I accepted a challenge to your debate and before I even had posted my argument you had three votes already - its not a debate in this case because I had NOT SAID ANYTHING.

Oh, and your wrestling matches with the English language make Bush look like Shakespeare - how about some punctuation and sentence structure? Might lead some of us to believe you are winning some of these legitimately.


 
palestine4life
Feb 05, 2007
0 convinced
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you cant vote for yourself on here. believe me

 
sophist1181
Feb 05, 2007
0 convinced
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you can if you use multiple email addresses

 
thales
Feb 05, 2007
0 convinced
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Ooh, or get a few friends to vote in a bloc. I don't think that either one is ethical. Hypothetically, I mean.

 
thales
Feb 05, 2007
0 convinced
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Rebuttal to: valentine2010

V, obviously there's no way to be sure either way, but as long as you're looking in:

I personally have no interest in "messing with" your debates, but since I have noticed the same odd voting pattern in all of them (and I didn't post this topic, so apparently I am not alone), I don't plan to engage you again, either.

 
thales
Feb 05, 2007
0 convinced
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Rebuttal to: valentine2010

V, I see nothing in your cases to indicate why you won, and certainly nothing to indicate why you tend to have three votes before your opponent has responded and about eight shortly thereafter.

There MIGHT be a clue here, though:
http://www.convinceme.net/viewDebate.php?dib=103

 
thales
Feb 05, 2007
0 convinced
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Rebuttal to: valentine2010

"First off buddy three plus eight equals 11 and you need ten to win you debates and you can vote once for yourself so now we see that the debate is over once it reaches ten and I only have one debate going on to 25 so what’s up"

What's up is that eight comes after three when counting. I said "eight," not "eight more."

Also, two theories have been advanced in this thread about how one might get additional votes unethically.

Inattention to others' points is not the sort of thing I typically find convincing, and again, I don't seem to be alone. And I think that "buddy" is a seriously unfortunate choice of words in this case.

 
scatfly
Feb 08, 2007
0 convinced
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Rebuttal to: valentine2010 Show

haha dude I am so sorry you are this fatuous. You need to just calm down a little bit and realize that you are a little boy trying to prove himself to the big dawgs, alright?

haha "ill mess with yours so bad"

haha I don't see how you can live with yourself. honestly. I also love how you hide behind the fact that you 15, like it gives you some kind of mercy rule or something? Hilarious!

 
fishboy101
Feb 20, 2007
0 convinced
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I just checked up on his debating history. here's a quick breakdown of his wins:

Repeat Debates
3 debates about lobbyists
3 debates about Barak Obama
3 debates about casinos (hurt or help)
Total: 9/15 deabtes are repeats (60%)

Gimmies (based on obvious public opinion and/or press attitutdes)
1 debate about wheather or not steriod influenced records (sports) count
1 debate about Wal-mart
Total: 2/15 debates are gimmies (13%)

This means that 73% of all his debates are ones he knows he can win.

Compare to losses
Random, Non-Serious debates.
1 debate (started by him) about a fight between Larry vs. Valentine
Total: 1/5 debates are random and non-serious (20%)

Grand total:
9+2+1=12/20 debates are freebies, repeats, or non-serious (60%). Of these, as stated earlier, 73% of all wins are made of these. Anyway you slice it, something fishie is going down.

 
shoomesh
Feb 20, 2007
0 convinced
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Rebuttal to: stargatefreak49 Show

ummm... if I interpreted this right, you are claiming that Valentine2010 is not capable of cheating as he has a losing record, but noone would cheat to have a losing record. He has a winning streak, 15-5, so I would hardly call that a lossing record.

At this time though, I've posted no votes. It's all a little strange.

 
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OK to vote for yourself many times over


irondebater
Feb 05, 2007
4 convinced
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Ok actually i think everyone has friends...and i know that i have friends on this site that say they will vote for me every time if they agree with me. Just today i had a debate and asked a friend to vote for me but they said they didnt agree with it. So i let it drop. I see no problem with having friends always be aware of when there is a debate but it is impossible to vote for yourself more than once. He has not been creating new addresses either because i have had a conversation with him on the side and he told me that he simply doing the previous. Making friends aware of the debates so they can vote how they feel. I think this is better than waiting a month to get 10 votes anyway. If more people started voting this could be prevented

 
valentine2010
Feb 05, 2007
2 convinced
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The first thing I didn’t cheat and second im sry if you’re pissed at me but please don’t mess with my debates its cheating u know so please be respectful and I apologize if I say no claim to much im just in debate mode

 
themasterdebater
Feb 05, 2007
1 convinced
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Rebuttal to: bigwillie

maybe you just suck at debate....

 
valentine2010
Feb 05, 2007
0 convinced
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and to add i dont beileve its ok to vote for yourself over and over again

 
valentine2010
Feb 05, 2007
0 convinced
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Now if you claim I cheated you can think that I cant stop u but I didn’t cheat and if you guys want to think that think that but its not true and to big Willie I don’t know what your problem is im 15 from Danville pa and I like to debate so back off or ill start messing with your debates by voting against you like your doing to me

 
valentine2010
Feb 05, 2007
0 convinced
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Now if you would read my cases you could see why I won and the fact that I am not going to be engaged anymore by any of you that’s fine just don’t mess with my debates

 
valentine2010
Feb 05, 2007
0 convinced
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First off buddy three plus eight equals 11 and you need ten to win you debates and you can vote once for yourself so now we see that the debate is over once it reaches ten and I only have one debate going on to 25 so what’s up

 
valentine2010
Feb 05, 2007
0 convinced
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Now the reason you all think I cheated is because I beat you all and here are the scores

Should efforts regarding hiv/aids be directed towards prevention or treatment? 10 to 1 Feb 04
do lobbyists have a negitive impact on the united states legislature 10 to 2 Feb 04
is Baraka Obama ready to be a presidental candidate in the 2008 elections? 10 to 1 Feb 04
is wal-mart good or bad for America 10 to 7 Feb 04

and if you guys want to be sore losers than do so but ill continue to kick your asses and touch my debates and ill mess with yours so bad youll never come close to me



 
valentine2010
Feb 05, 2007
0 convinced
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so im favored this is not somthing to b*tch about

 
irondebater
Feb 06, 2007
0 convinced
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I could argue for both sides here but nobody has really been able to prove anything. I guess we should all just hope that others are not voting for themselves and that most of us have principles. If this website is going to succeed everybody here needs to act a little more professional.

 
stargatefreak49
Feb 10, 2007
0 convinced
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Rebuttal to: sophist1181 Show

Last time i checked Debate was on ur arguements not on grammer, or proper english. And for all you who lost to Him...me looking at this....all i see is a bunch of sore losers who are mad cause they were beaten...well all i have to say is BOOWHO!!!!! IT HAPPENS, GET OVER IT.


oh...and this topic is under philiosphicol....not conspiricy...so if ur gonna debate this topic at least argue y it is unethical...not what u think he is doing for votes....


and for ur theorys on how he is getting votes with having multiple accounts....he doesnt! if u want to find someone who does that look for Trizzle....not Valentine2010....he is an honest debater



and btw...have ne of u actually looked at ur wins and loses....most of u that think he cheated have a lossing record.

 


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