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Would you keep the baby?
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13 year old becomes father
Despite having extremely poor judgement financially, I think his attitude is extremely mature and it is a good sign....
provolone
Feb 19, 2009
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liberalthinker
Feb 19, 2009
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As the male, and the said conceive-er of said child, I have no say. If I didn't want to have a child, I wouldn't have sex or unprotected sex. The thought that THE man has any say in the choice of the woman's body and emotional future is intrinsically wrong, evil, and based in a core conservative, religious wing of male superiority that undermines the basic ideals of democracy. Choice is democracy. Choice is freedom.



 
andre2552
Feb 19, 2009
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"Adult decisions".

This male, and I will not say man or boy, while he obviously had a serious lack of judgement and restraint when thinking of this. He is no child mentally and is very mature if you have read his interview quotes etc. and I think would be better a father than many others older than him. All people struggle with parenting and he will have no more a struggle than anyone else.

To liberalthinker: Yes, you are right. However, the man should not be totally excluded, he should not have more than 50% of a say into the issue abortion or parenting, it is after all, his child too and should at least have an opinion as to whether or not he is ready for a child. I think the problem is I would feel very sorry for the woman having to make a decision between having a baby she wants to have, or aborting it, with the risk of afterwards guilt, for the father's sake. In fact even the father might feel guilt afterwards. Of course you could use contraception but accidents happen. It may be the woman's body but it is both of their children. A father's life is equally affected. Some men just leave, but I think this is a cruel thing to do the child and even to the mother. Though if they were at the delivery of the child, I think they may find it hard to leave once they see their child and become instantly emotionally attached.

 
dueonmaplestreet
Feb 20, 2009
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See the debate on overpopulation. I would eat it. So tender...mmmmmmmmmm...

 
dueonmaplestreet
Feb 22, 2009
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with a nice butter garlic sauce they are delish, really.

 
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sandifromlargo
Feb 19, 2009
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These children need some outside help. Emotionally they are children trying to make the correct adult decisions for their lives. In this instance, parents are also too emotionally invested to make unbiased suggestions, which will result in a correct decision. There are more than three lives involved. There is also a family circle which is the extended group. The decision affects all. The level of maturity is important to look at as well as what is best for the three that are closely encircled in this dilema. There are professionals to lean on for expertise in making the correct choices. Keeping a child at this young age requires hard work, committment and dedication of BOTH families. On the flip side, adopting a child out also requires involvement of both families. It is possible for these young adults to chose the couple that would adopt and raise their child. At the same time if they make that decision, there is counseling and support available to see them through a very difficult decision.

Would you keep the baby depends on, both material and emotional factors.

Can you support and raise this child? Are you employed? Are you completing your education? Do you want an ongoing personal relationship with the other parent and their family? Are you physically capable and knowledgable to run a household? Are you willing to take classes to learn parenting skills? Since you are under age, are you ready to have the adult members of your family giving opinions, suggestions, or dictating what, when, why and where you will do things for your child? Are you or what can you do to become a stable, viable, employable, educated parent?
These are just a few of the questions you need to look at BEFORE making the decision.


 
sandifromlargo
Feb 20, 2009
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While he may have had a serious lapse of judgement, he is still a child making an adult decision. Which is exactly why I said , that a professional should intervene to help BOTH of these kids make a good decision based on some of the questions I listed. I fully agree that the male MUST be involved in decisions made as this is his child as well. Biological parents at a delivery when a baby is to be adopted out works very well from those that have had help and counseling. Open adoptions have proven to be a good way to learn responsibility and a learning experience for evaluating what is best for ALL involved. However, the way he is involved if the baby is adopted out is the same way he should be involved if the baby is kept. Financial responsibility must be taught AND practiced.

 
sandifromlargo
Feb 21, 2009
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Hmmmmmm this character does not line up with the one on Forum by the same name. Dual personalities? Are you related to Sybil?

 
frankiej4189
Feb 22, 2009
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Sorry but which of his childish quotes makes you think he's mature and responsible?

Was it... “I didn’t think about how we would afford it. I don’t really get pocket money. My dad sometimes gives me £10 ($21).”

Or was it him not knowing how much nappies (diapers?) cost?

Or worse yet, was it...“I thought it would be good to have a baby,"?

This KID/CHILD/JUVENILE/YOUNG BOY is an idiot who made a childish mistake. What kind of father is this kid going to be? How could a little kid who is barely a teenager possibly get the financial means together to support his baby? Thank God these children have their parents looking after their infant. I don't know what could possibly think that this kid Alfie is anything but a child.

 


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