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Is Barak Obama slowly failing?
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stehvin
Feb 04, 2009
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Barak Obama is slowly failing.


idiminish
Feb 04, 2009
3 convinced
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1. Some poor personnel choices (which is probably because he's had so little federal experience that he seems to have relied somewhat heavily on 'party' choices. I know, there are some exceptions, but ...)

2. Some hypocritical politics (during the campaign it was all, "change, change, change!" but it doesn't seem to have changed. In fact, it seems very typical. Plus, he urges financial responsibility while pushing a huge stimulus which will create huge debt and his inauguration had to be declared an emergency so that it could be funded.)

3. The so-called stimulus (which included at least several things related far more to special interests than to economy. This isn't the promised political 'change' just the typical course, and it certainly isn't about the economy.)

On top of that, he's admitted that the problems so far are his fault. He's been there two weeks, and is already making such serious errors they need to aired? That would seem to indicate a fail. I don't mean that he'll fail in the long run, but the tendency so far has been much more toward failure than success.

 
gdog
Feb 07, 2009
2 convinced
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President Obama is Failing.
He supports a stimulus bill that he doesnt know all that much about.
He let Pelosi write it and that was a mistake.
He attacks the Republicans in speeches which is not presidental.
Finnally, he is bothered more by Rush Limbaugh than by senate Gop.

 
babablacksheep
Feb 08, 2009
2 convinced
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Just as an interesting note... his approval rating has already fallen to 60%... he started at above 80%... he hasnt even been in there for a month.

 
xanthippa
Feb 05, 2009
1 convinced
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D'uh!

He is failing - but not very slowly.

After he forced the Democrats to include the 'only made in USA' supplies clause on his 'bailout' thingy, he was forced to 100% reverse his position by adding 'as long as it does not intervene any of our 'free trade' treaties - like, say ALL of them!!!

And that is just one of many gaffs....

The guy is out of his depth - and it shows. A dangerous combination of ideological naivitee and ruthless political callousness... I pity all you Yanks!

 
frankiej4189
Feb 05, 2009
0 convinced
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Rebuttal to: teachme Show

"To his credit...more than eight years have passed, and Bush has still failed to apologize for even one of his countless mistakes!"

It seems like a staple of the irrational Liberal is that they'll see that Obama is doing something wrong and/stupid and then they'll revert to blaming Bush to alleve their chastisement (real word?). For example...

Barney Frank (A Fucking Asshole and Twat) was being ridiculed for supporting Obama's Stimulus Package or the Big Bailout, one of the two, and when he was taking heat he was backed into a corner and he said something like "Well this BUSH Administration has spent Trillions on the War!"

That has nothing to do with the Stimulus Package! It doesn't matter if Bush made some asanine mistakes! That doesn't make it right for the Left to spend money like the Madmen that they are just because Bush financially crippled the country in Iraq! If anything, they should learn from the previous terrible mistakes of Bush and NOT repeat them.

So teachme, just because "Bush has still failed to apologize for even one of his countless mistakes!" doesn't mean that Obama shouldn't. It doesn't make Obama's mistakes any more or less okay than Bush's. This is a new administration that has to pick up the baggage of a terrible previous administration as well as the mountains of problems caused by a corrupt and incompetant Congress. Stop reverting back to blaming Bush for problems he is not completely related to.

 
frankiej4189
Feb 05, 2009
0 convinced
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Rebuttal to: teachme Show

From here on out, i've given up on trying to argue with you. It is impossible. You have lost a state of reality that i simply cannot understand and its like arguing with a brick wall. You constantly contradict yourself and you either ignore or simply do not see what people are typing to you. You are ideological and out of touch with reality.

I know this is a debating website and we're supposed to argue with eachother and learn from eachother and blah blah blah but I give up. I will try my hardest never to make a rebuttal to you again because i gain nothing from it and it makes no dent in your mind.

 
gdog
Feb 08, 2009
0 convinced
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Rebuttal to: liberalthinker Show

liberalthinker, lower taxes worked in the Reagan years. He inherited a recession from Carter and turned it around in one term. This massive spending bill has more pork than stimulus. 400 million for HIV prevention? Yeah thats the key to turning our econemy around. Lowering taxes on buisness will create jobs. The smaller the government the better. Government was the problem. And is not the solution.

 
frankiej4189
Feb 09, 2009
0 convinced
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Rebuttal to: liberalthinker Show

"A majority of offense on Obama is stemming from the stimulus bill, attacks from people who hardly understand what actually keeps the economy going. "

And you must be one smart son of a gun in economics then right? If you're defending the Stimulus Plan, i'm sure you can tell me how this Pork Spending Plan will help stimulate the economy?

Economic Trade Off between Food Stamps and Tax Cuts:

-Food Stamps are payed for by the Government (The Tax Payers) so poor people (people who don't pay taxes) can eat and not starve to death
-Tax Cuts are the government lightening the tax burden on the tax payers in hopes that with this new increase of money, the tax payers will be more inclined to circuluate that money (through consumption of goods/services) back into the economy, thus giving the gov. more income to tax which gives the gov more money

The two are not comparable and i don't know what you were trying to get at.
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Public Works Vs. Tax Cuts:
-Public Works projects are usually a good way to provide short term relief to people who are in desparate need of work as well as short term relief to a government in need of money. Public Works give more jobs to job-needy people, decreasing the unemployment rate, as well as giving more people more money to spend, thus stimulating the economy. The trouble with Public Works Projects is that they are EXTREMELY short term. Think about it, how many times can you build a highway, bridge, school, etcetera? Once the Project is built, there is really only maintence left and that wont supply enough jobs to the people who need them.

Now, knowing the short term dilemmas that go along with Public Works Projectes, and with your extensive knowledge of Market Economy Economics, please please please tell me why you think this STimulus Package is a good idea.


 
ericalynnnn
Feb 09, 2009
0 convinced
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Rebuttal to: f145h Show

however, i don't appreciate you discrediting republicans.
democrats make republicans look bad on purpose just as much, if not more so, than republicans do it to democrats.
neither party is better than the other. we can argue points here without getting nasty.

 
dereksemeraro
Feb 11, 2009
0 convinced
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Slowly failing?
He has already failed in 2 weeks.
That's not slow failing.
That's fast failing.

 
idiminish
Feb 14, 2009
0 convinced
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Rebuttal to: f145h Show

Actually, I'm not a Republican.

I wasn't saying that things haven't changed, I'm saying that the way in which Mr. Obama does politics is not different from other politicians. He could have 'changed' immediately simply by doing things differently, which he promised.

'You also state that his stimulus package is based primarily on his personal interest.' I didn't state that at all (you can read the original argument again if you like). This is called a straw man argument.

Finally, I have no problem with Obama admitting mistakes - I applaud the courage and humility. My concern is that he was only a couple of weeks in and had already made such mistakes that needed such an apology. That doesn't bode well for four years more (minus the two weeks of course).

 
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Barak Obama is not failing at all.


liberalthinker
Feb 08, 2009
2 convinced
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Rebuttal to: gdog Show

Please, with your obviously massive and encyclopedic knowledge of economics, that obviously surpassed a man who is briefed hourly by the smartest people in the country, and tell us what YOU would do.
A majority of offense on Obama is stemming from the stimulus bill, attacks from people who hardly understand what actually keeps the economy going.
Please explain to me what you know about the economic trade-off of food stamps versus that of a tax break, or the structural value of civic improvement employment versus that of a tax break?

Right now, conservative defense is based off the same idea as digging holes, then filling them up again...it gives them something to do.

Doctor's diagnosis: Sour grapes.


 
teachme
Feb 05, 2009
1 convinced
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Rebuttal to: idiminish Show

Idiminish posted..."On top of that, he's admitted that the problems so far are his fault."

To his credit...more than eight years have passed, and Bush has still failed to apologize for even one of his countless mistakes!

I think you're being unfair...so eager to pass judgement, and so early on. Especially towards a president who had a lot dumped in his lap. He told us all from the onset that he would be making mistakes. Give him some room to be human...give him some time to rectify the mistakes he has made...before painting your picture of negativity, pessimism, and gloom.

 
f145h
Feb 05, 2009
1 convinced
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Rebuttal to: idiminish Show

I see your arguement was built of a republican website. Because most of your information is incomplete.

You mention his campaign is based on 'change'. Which, undoubtedly, it is. And that there hasn't been a change. How long has Obama been president now? I must be the only one who forgot he has a magic wand that INSTANTANEOUSLY changes everything. What he has is a pen...it may not change things instantly, but it is happening.

You also state that his stimulus package is based primarily on his personal interest. This may be the case that he is financing programs that have a use. Programs that have influence on politics and the change he is building to. But the main idea you miss along the idea of the stimulus package is that it's goal is to create jobs and circulate money through the economy. I'm not saying I stand for the stimulus package. I'm saying you are terribly misinformed or only read half a story.

Lastly, I do not see the problem with Obama admitting his mistakes. It is better then cowering from the populace and pointing fingers. And OF COURSE he is going to be aired for his errors. He's the f**king president.

I don't agree with some of the things Obama has done, but I know he is not failing by any sense of the word.

 
teachme
Feb 05, 2009
1 convinced
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Rebuttal to: frankiej4189 Show

Frankie posted..."So teachme, just because "Bush has still failed to apologize for even one of his countless mistakes!" doesn't mean that Obama shouldn't."

Frankie...where did I say that Obama should not apologize? In fact, he has admitted to his mistakes, and I credited him for that.

The only thing I mentioned about Bush was that he failed to apologize for the countless mistakes he made...in other words, did not hold himself accountable...and that he dumped a lot into Obama's lap. What I said is all true, and you know it is.

Did I say that Obama's mistakes can be blamed on Bush? I don't think so. You missed my point, Frankie, and put words in my mouth!

 
ericalynnnn
Feb 09, 2009
0 convinced
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Rebuttal to: idiminish Show

although i voted for mccain, i disagree with this argument. it's only been a few weeks, and obama has 4, possibly 8 years, to make "change change change."
it would be completely radical of him to switch to socialism within the first three weeks of his presidency.

i agree that he dose not have enough experience to be president, and i completely disagree with most of his policies. as a moderate, i dont believe in socialism at all.

[however, he is my president, and i will respect him. the country had faith enough in him to elect him by a landslide. so all i can do is sit and wait and hope that he doesn't raise taxes on private businesses before i ask for my raise this summer...]

but it infuriates me that nothing is ever good enough for the people in this country. give obama time. generally, its the less intelligent people who are demanding things that they don't even fully understand. obama will do what he set out to do... if congress (representative of the people) deems it so. the majority of the population has this strange idea that the president is alone in making decisions for this country. these people are ignorant, don't understand the political process at all, and should probably learn about it before they start demanding all of these things with no right to do so.

 
teachme
Feb 10, 2009
0 convinced
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Rebuttal to: frankiej4189 Show

Been thinking...perhaps I should respond to this. Although, your comments are truly unworthy of a response...once again...over-the-top, irrational, and insulting!

Are you that sensitive, Frankie?! Working with a full deck, there? ...Maybe a short fuse?

One thing is for sure...I support you in your decision not to rebuke me...since this has been, more or less, your typical ending response. Don't want to keep seeing you...falling apart at the seams.

Somehow, I expect more from a debater who likes to coin the phrase, "Stay Classy." You're joking, right!? ...lol What does that mean, coming from a guy who needs to enroll in Etiquette School, and learn how to be a gentleman?!

Funny thing is...it's very obvious you like to kiss guys' butts/rebutts, but in regards to women...you will only go out of your way to degrade them. Now...I'll spare you with the countless examples, but...why is that, Frankie? ...Hmmm

(No need to answer...I have a hunch I already know. ;)

 


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