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helpme
Feb 03, 2009
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Man is a mutation of the human species.


teachme
Feb 03, 2009
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Perhaps I am not understanding this...

Man is a mutation...meaning "man," as opposed to "woman"? How can that be when both man and woman ARE the human species?!

As far as the other side...I don't buy the "God Creation Theory," at all. Viewing the Bible as an example of folklore and/or myth (which it is, because there are no solid historical facts to support it)...the creation myth that woman (Eve) was made from man's (Adam’s) rib...is simply a reflection of woman's position in the society in which the Bible was written, at the time it was written. In my mind, it should be interpreted as figurative speech, and not to be taken literally.

 
jonjax71
Feb 03, 2009
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The mutation IMO is the creator of this most ridiculous debate.

 

Feb 03, 2009
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Perhaps, and stop me if Im wrong, the creator of this debate was referring to how Man has a dinky Y chromosome instead of two X chromosomes which makes sense cause I mean one could in fcat call it an evolutionary mutation.

Coming from the biblical stand point, I don't think so, and coming from a scinetifical standpoint, I don't think so.

 
jonjax71
Feb 03, 2009
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I didn't know who the creator of this debate was when I wrote my opinion about it. I am not a hata, I am calling it the way I see it and although I have nothing against you as evidenced in all of your previous posts which I respect, this statement you're asking us to determine, which is more valid are way off base. Man/males are not a mutation of humans and women/females were not "created/made" to be subserviant to man. What do you base this crapola on?

 
frankiej4189
Feb 03, 2009
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How is a man a genetic mutation?

 
unlabled00
Feb 03, 2009
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Are either of these correct? Does that mean all males of a species are one mutation while women are another? o_O

 
hottubwille
Feb 03, 2009
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"You might call the Creator by a different name, or follow different religous rituals, but when the end time comes, you be sure and ask God, to explain it all to you." How incredibly high handed and trite.

Crediting your scriptures as being anything more then a wild eyed stories made up by a group of power drunk men is a gross over statement. I could make the same claims as you about Greek mythology. Oh and BTW - When your time comes you can ask Apollo - he'll explain it all to you. If he's in the mood to talk to you that is! LOL

You god freaks crack me up.

 
teachme
Feb 03, 2009
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Sandifromlargo posted..."He made her from a rib which is a support."

According to your theory...from where does woman get HER support (and I'm not talkin' financially either)...so she can give it, in turn, to man?

I'd like to see the "proof" of all this...historical, scientific, or otherwise...give me all you got, Sandi! :) You can start with the evidence that proves this woman, "Eve," ever existed...then move on to the evidence that proves she was made from Adam's rib.

Don't forget the proof that woman was made to live vicariously through man...to never be in charge of anything (including herself, of course)...and to kiss man's %^&! ;)

Speaking of %^&...

Coincidentally...from where did man come? Did God have the flu...and make man from his backside? ...Maybe that is why so many of you believe only what you want to believe...and become so full of &%^*!?

 
teachme
Feb 03, 2009
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Sandifromlargo..."You might call the Creator by a different name, or follow different religous rituals, but when the end time comes, you be sure and ask God, to explain it all to you."

Sandi...What makes you so sure of yourself...that I even recognize a Creator, or practice religious rituals?

For that matter...when the time comes...how do you know that there is even a God to ask?!

 
teachme
Feb 04, 2009
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Sandi posted..."Even if you are an atheist with NO religous affiliation or no belief system, does it not make COMMON SENSE, to at least look at, check out, research other things BEFORE embracing an attitude of no belief?"

You certainly assume a whole lot! I think my entire childhood of attending the Catholic church and Catechism, including the last several years...when I was dragged unwillingly...was plenty enough time for personal reflection and study!

You really don't have to worry yourself about my relationship to anything or anyone...including my relationship with any Creator, if there really is one. You don't even have to concern yourself with what happens to me when I die.

...Thanks anyway! :)

 
teachme
Feb 04, 2009
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Please spare me...*Yawwwwn*...never fails, or ends. I am quite familiar with Genesis.

Is that why you started this lame debate, to spout your Bible Babble?

 
teachme
Feb 04, 2009
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Sandi posted..."I am sorry that you seem to still be searching without finding a path. That may be presumptive on my part..."

It sure is presumptive on your part...and I'll just leave it at that! :)

 
teachme
Feb 05, 2009
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Here is a quote taken from Helpme's post, Genesis 3:16-19...

"To the woman he said, "I will greatly increase your pains in childbearing; with pain you will give birth to children. Your desire will be for your husband, and he will rule over you."

Now, how is that not sexist?

And it continue's..."To Adam he said, "Because you listened to your wife and ate from the tree about which I commanded you, 'You must not eat of it,' cursed is the ground because of you..."

So, that's basically saying...listen to your wife, and you're going to catch hell. (We'll fix that...the wife has to listen to her husband...he rules over her from now on!)

No wonder your heads are so BIG!

 
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Woman was made to be a helper comparable, and coorespondent to man.


sandifromlargo
Feb 03, 2009
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This is not my debate, but looks like my big mouth gets to go first.

If you are a believer in the God Creation Theory (the correct one) then you have read: God did not create Eve from the head to be in charge, or the hands and feet to manipulate and do everything. He made her from a rib which is a support. It came from around the middle area, so that she is neither above or below, but equal! Everything else seems negotiable. (As to who has more intelligence, strength, stamina, etc.)

 
helpme
Feb 04, 2009
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So frustrated over a myth. Tsk, tsk. Here is just some of what the Bible teaches about this subject. It teaches a very different message than you portray.

Most of the Bible's teachings about women are based upon the foundation laid in Genesis. God created the woman as a "helper" for man. The same Hebrew word, `ezer, translated as "helper," is used to describe God, Himself, in Psalms 33:20, 70:5, 115:9-11. God created both men and women in His own image and made them equal custodians of all His creation:

Genesis 2:27-28;
"So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them. God blessed them and said to them, "Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air and over every living creature that moves on the ground."

Genesis 5:1-2;
When God created man, he made him in the likeness of God. He created them male and female and blessed them. And when they were created, he called them "man.

But the man and woman disobeyed God in the Garden. God gave each of them punishments before evicting them from the Garden:

Genesis 3:16-19;
To the woman he said, "I will greatly increase your pains in childbearing; with pain you will give birth to children. Your desire will be for your husband, and he will rule over you." To Adam he said, "Because you listened to your wife and ate from the tree about which I commanded you, 'You must not eat of it,' "Cursed is the ground because of you; through painful toil you will eat of it all the days of your life. It will produce thorns and thistles for you and you will eat the plants of the field. By the sweat of your brow you will eat your food until you return to the ground, since from it you were taken; for dust you are and to dust you will return."

This passage is key to understanding later Biblical teachings about women. The punishments on both Adam and Eve were clearly imposed by God Himself; God did not reduce women to inferior status, nor did He command men to rule harshly over their wives.

There are definite examples of women being treated as inferior in scripture. The mistreatment is a result of the sin curse that man and women brought on themselves in their disobedience. When studying scripture, you will find the true plan and role that God has purposed for Women. It is a place of stature and importance.


 
wicked
Feb 03, 2009
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OK this is like asking what color clouds are, green or red.

Seriously, both statements are equally stupid.

 
sandifromlargo
Feb 04, 2009
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I do not know what you belive in or if you believe in a Creator. I can only answer for myself as to beliefs. God does not ask me to provide salvation for anyone. He took care of that. He only tells me to follow Him, make known my beliefs by presenting them to others and by example of my life. I try to do that daily. However, I am human and I have faults. So according to the teachings I follow, I must look to my Creator to lead me as He would have me go.

Even if you are an atheist with NO religous affiliation or no belief system, does it not make COMMON SENSE, to at least look at, check out, research other things BEFORE embracing an attitude of no belief? How, as an intelligent human being can you look at a new baby, nature, science or myriads of other gifts in our lives and not believe something or someone more intelligent and bigger than self is not in charge or did not Create it all?

I am not a Bible thumper, but I do study my Bible and believe what it teaches mostly because I can look at six decades of my life and KNOW that there is no way I would be where I am now had something stronger, bigger, bolder, more intelligent and REALLY more compassionate than I, not been in control of me. I cannot look at my sons, my grandchildren, my great grandchildren and NOT KNOW without shadow of doubt that a Creator, not sexual release was at work. I could NOT have survived the loss of and the irreparable injuries to two of my beautiful sons, had not a God of Compassion been involved in my life. I believe God has caused beautiful, intelligent, compassionate people full of wisdom in my path when I needed human intervention. I could not possibly be in the business I am in if a Supreme entity had not given me the passion, compassion and strength to complete the task.

Truly I can ONLY look at my own life and hope it is an example to make you ask questions and do the research for yourself. If I fail at that task, then I have to believe there is a God that will explain it better to you than I can. As for end times, we all die, and that is OUR personal end time. I believe I will face my Creator and explain why I did the things I did and that He will be compassionate and loving as I have been taught. I also believe you will face that same Creator for the same reasons. What you tell Him is personal for you and Him.

AMEN!
Sorry the teacher/preacher or as my kids say the Mom in me has come out to speak. I respect everyone on this site and have formed some friendships and acquaintances that I value highly. I have learned about atheism from some, other cultures, lives and belief systems from others. I value them all and hope to one day embrace and value some of your life systems as well.

 
sandifromlargo
Feb 04, 2009
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I merely pointed to atheism, because I personally had not given it much thought until I came to this site. One of the members here, is a proclaimed atheist. He is intelligent and his postings caused me to do some research. He is respected on this site and so I decided while I might not believe as he does, that reading his posts led me to believe he had done a lot of research before embracing his system of non belief.
Again, I will say, it is NOT my business to worry about your life, death OR belief system. My ONLY business is to be sure I am living my life as I have been taught, and that I am presenting the best example I can to the world about me.
As for the Catholic Church. I grew up in that religion, attended Catholic schools and lived in a convent for two years during my teen years. I too, became disillusioned and began to search.
My life has NEVER been a bed of roses, but I believe that the Creator has led my life to get me this far. I am sorry that you seem to still be searching without finding a path. That may be presumptive on my part, but if I am correct, you can email me. I am an excellent listener. I do not quote Scripture OR religion to anyone, nor do I presume that to be a task in my life.

And, you are welcome. I care about everyone here and make NO assumptions about anyone.

 
sandifromlargo
Feb 03, 2009
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Since I did not create this debate, I am not sure why you are asking ME about mutation.
As for the God Theory. Every man decides for him or herself what they chose to believe. You may call the Bible an example of folklore and myth. but, a historical writer from the era, substantiates the historical facts and values. True it has been translated many times and interpreted many ways, but the scrolls seem to back up the historical writings from back then and vice versa. So far, no man has truly disproved the facts of the scrolls. Also science has held up many of the claims as fact. Since I believe there would be no science without God and I believe He created all men including scientists, historians, and men of intellect to help prove that the original word is not figurative speech and should be used as a guide or manual to living our lives.

I appreciate that you may believe differently and becuse of your free will you can chose for yourself. You might call the Creator by a different name, or follow different religous rituals, but when the end time comes, you be sure and ask God, to explain it all to you.

 
helpme
Feb 03, 2009
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let me clear this up for everyone. I CREATED THIS DEBATE.
I heard a debate between an atheist and a Christian. These were arguments that were made concerning man. I just wanted to hear what everyone thought. So just calm down everyone.

 
helpme
Feb 03, 2009
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thanks for the love.

 
teachme
Feb 03, 2009
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Lonewolf posted..."Man has a dinky Y chromosome instead of two X chromosomes which makes sense cause I mean one could in fcat call it an evolutionary mutation."

Well...coming from a scientific standpoint...very possible, in fact.

I remember watching a film in one of my Anthropology classes in college. I think "Eve" was in the title...just wish I could remember the whole title. Many times, I have tried to look it up...but, so far, no luck.

Anyway...what I do remember about the film, was that the scientists were discussing the (archeological/genetic)evidence that points to the very strong possibility of "woman/female" as having been the first gender created of the human species.

Now, I know all you religious diehards would just die! What would that do to your Creation Myth?! ...You might even cry so hard that your "ribs" hurt...and women might just laugh until their "ribs" hurt! Hey...they won't have to "support" you anymore!

Then...how 'bout all the men and women meat eaters go out together and have themselves some ribs?! ...hee hee! :)

 
andre2552
Feb 04, 2009
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Both of these are stupid. Almost all species have genders its natural to them or they couldn't reproduce. (Well, that's the way it works anyway.) So men can't be mutations of the species. Both genders are the species and are equal.

 
helpme
Feb 04, 2009
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Like I said, I base the two statements on arguments that were used in a debate that I watched.

The atheist said that all evolutionary change is caused by mutation and that man is the mutation of the human species in order to be able to procreate.

The Christian said that man and woman were created to coexist as one and therefore compliment and complete each other.

The question I posed was not asking you if you agree with either of the statements, only which one was MORE true.

I just honestly wanted to hear everyone's opinion on the statements.

You obviously know that I think the Christian statement was more correct and that I base my "crapola" on the veracity of scripture.

 
helpme
Feb 05, 2009
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You may be familiar with Genesis, but you apparently do not know what it teaches. If you did, you could not hold the opinion that scripture teaches that women are subserviant.

It's not too often that I "Bible Babble", Only when people ignorantly misrepresent it.

I did not intend to post at all. I only wanted to see how people would respond to the statements. But I saw that Sandi was catching some flak, so I claimed the debate.

I did not intend to make you so bitter. I do notice that you are pretty engaged in this lame debate.

 
frankiej4189
Feb 05, 2009
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How are you so dismissive to Helpme when he is merely pointing out scripture from the BIBLE to help his case that the Christian story of creation from the BIBLE is not sexist?

 


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