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Professional athletes should not be penalised doing drugs off competition.
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nicholasyeo
Feb 02, 2009
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Yes, it is their own business to do drugs.


ericalynnnn
Feb 02, 2009
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professional athletes are people, just like you and i. yes, they are in the spotlight and yes they are role models. but they have the same freedoms, and must follow the same laws as the rest of us. if you or i or an athlete gets caught with illegal drugs we should all be penalized in the same way. obviously, if i smoke weed recreationally, i'm not harming anyone. neither is the professional athlete. if i got caught with drugs, i'd be punished by law. so should the professional athlete. we should not treat them like higher beings than the rest of us. they are just people.

 
ericalynnnn
Feb 02, 2009
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people, look at the title of this debate. it has nothing to do with obama. can we leave politics out of this? if you want to debate obama, make a new debate. duh.

 

Feb 02, 2009
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Rebuttal to: sandifromlargo Show

I'm sorry, I'm with the conservatives on this one. Obama is a senator, and all of them lie. Even the republiucans. They are sleazy, slimebalss who think that they can do almost anything with this country and Obama was one of them and is now president. And LOOK who he surronded himself by? He hasn't brought any change yet, and it looks as if he is doing what all democrats have done since the beginning. HA!

But, I do agree with you. Obama DID the RIGHT thing by apologizing and going straight.

 
frankiej4189
Feb 02, 2009
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I'm honestly amazed at how fluidly God and Politics can squirm its ugly little head into just about every damn debate on this site...amazed.

 
frankiej4189
Feb 02, 2009
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Rebuttal to: shypanda Show

So lets take away Michael Phelps' 8 Gold Medals because he smoked some weed at a party.

 
frankiej4189
Feb 02, 2009
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Rebuttal to: littleminx Show

I thought he was in the UK when this happened?

Either way, its my belief that anyone who is inspired enough by a complete stranger to the point where they would be deeply hurt if they found out that person smoked some dope, they need some help.

 
atlas101
Feb 03, 2009
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The debate is simple. Sports stars are and should be above the law. Any one who wants to penalize a sports star for breaking any law, to include murder, is unamerican and a fascist. Sports stars determine the quality of our lives and the future of the world. They answer only to God who happens to be a fan. I am currently giving my personal belongings and house to a well known football celebrity in exchange for my providing 20 hours a day of labor. He has agreed to give me one hot meal a week and see him from a distance of 100 meters at least once a month. Life is divine!

 
nonconformist
Feb 03, 2009
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Nobody should be penalised for taking drugs. What the individual does with their own body is their own business. I would go so far as to say that performance enhancing drugs are also perfectly legitimate.

 
atlas101
Feb 04, 2009
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Rebuttal to: littleminx Show

Consider it a satire.

We all know that actors and musicians are the real divine-right caesers of society. i must know what dresses they are wearing and when they have their first kiss with the next person they date. If i don't my life will lose meaning.

 
nonconformist
Feb 04, 2009
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Rebuttal to: littleminx Show

Yes and I'm saying that taking drugs shouldn't be illegal....

 
atlas101
Feb 08, 2009
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Rebuttal to: littleminx Show

Here's the bottom line. We foolishly treat a class of people who contribute basically nothing to society while recieving all the awards and riches the world could offer like they are deities. We allow and reward behavior in them that is not only something that we should tolerate from no one, but that would destroy any of us with the consequences. In short, we allow them to be above the law and our kids are watching.

 
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No, national icons should stay as clean as Obama.


sandifromlargo
Feb 02, 2009
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Professional athletes are recognized in this country as examples for the younger people in the Nation. As such, they are held to a higher standard. The best possible scenario now, is
1. For an apology
2. A change in attitude and practice.
3. Acceptance from the community at large that a huge mistake was made and a return to clean living.
4. Forgiveness from the community and a file cabinet memory of the history that was.
5. Grow up and move on.

HOWEVER, if the negative practices continue, then yes, the proper authorities (sometimes legal, sometimes familial) should step up to the plate to help correct the problem. Either way, it is up to the person to take responsibility, accept the help of others and correct the problem.

As is a subtle hint in the title for this side, YES, Obama has a drug history. He apologized, changed his behavior, was embraced by his family, peers and community, was forgiven but not forgotten. He grew up and moved on and look where he is today. A REALLY good example for the youth of America. NOW, the same can hold true for an athelete, that has made an error in both judgement and practice.

ERROR and the CORRECTION are how people learn and make themselves better people. The spotlight of fame is the by-product of a talent that should never be abused. Unfortunately we are human.

 
shypanda
Feb 02, 2009
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This is crazy, of course professional athletes should be penalized for doing drugs when not in competition. An illegal substance is just that, ILLEGAL. Not penalizing them for doing something illegal puts them into a different category of citizens in this nation who are above the law. In this nation murder is illegal and professional athletes are convicted if guilty, so are illegal substances like cocaine AND marijuana. Regardless of if I agree with the law or not it is still the law and should be followed by ALL members of our society.

What a horrible example it sets that you can break all sorts of laws and still attain unparalleled positions of power in this nation. Both parties are guilty of this, President Clinton and President Obama both smoked a doobie here and there. Lying under oath is a punishable offense. Senator Kennedy drove a woman off a bridge completely hammered and left her to drown. Corruption is pervasive in our current political system (again on both sides I am not just trying to blame Democrats) and they should be held to a higher standard than the rest of us... especially since they get such great health benefits on our dime.

 
littleminx
Feb 02, 2009
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Rebuttal to: frankiej4189 Show

yes....take them away. Maybe we can sell them and make some kind of profit. It could only help our economy. Jeze, Frankie...why didn't you say something sooner. :-P

LOL....actually i think we should take his Speedos away and give him some pants and a paper bag to put over his oh so attractive face....that kid's mouth is like a booby trap.

Anyways...seriously...i think he should be treated the same way as any other citizen under the US law.

Its one of those things that you kinda have to be careful with. He is in the spotlight and because of that he sort of has an image to uphold. Just like any other person in the spotlight...may it be the president or Miss America.

 
xanthippa
Feb 02, 2009
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Is this debate a joke?

'As clean as Obama' - with his admitted use of illegal drugs? It's in the past, of course. Yet, the expression 'as clean as Obama', with reference to drugs, is about as 'loaded' as 'I did not have sex with that woman' is in reference to Bill Clinton.

But, to the point:

This question does not define what 'drugs' means.

Are we talking about illegal drugs? If so, then they MUST be penalized for breaking the law, regardless of who they are.

Are we talking about performance-enhancing drugs WHICH ARE LEGAL? If so, then that is their business - provided they NEVER enter athletics again. If you artificially build up muscles, using them - even though you have stopped using the drug - is not 'sporting'....unless, of course, these drugs are sanctioned for use by that sport - in which case it is their business.

Or, are we talking about life-saving medical drugs which they need, but which might, as a side effect, improve their sports performance? Of course, of the choices, this one would be the most interesting: like the Olympic athletes that have asthma and HAVE TO take their drug - but taking it MIGHT make them more efficient than they would have been had they not NEEDED it...

It is that third option that is interesting: I truly don't know the answer.


 
xanthippa
Feb 02, 2009
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Rebuttal to: frankiej4189 Show

Actually, if he willingly partook of illegal drugs, he should go to jail - even if he has 8 medals or more. Breaking the law here is a crime against society - regardless of the effect of the drugs on the individual.

But, to your point: marijuana is indeed a type of performance-enhancing drug. It works by messing up serotonin levels, so that athletes who smoke it end up having higher pain tolerance levels - which permits them to perform past what a normal person would.

This is not a temporary 'high', but a long-term effect of smoking pot - which is why it is often prescribed for treating pain. It does so by changing the brain chemical balance on pain perception. And high-level athletes push themselves as hard as their 'pain-threshold' will allow. Artificially raising this - by using pot - will necessarily give the pot-smoker an unfair advantage in any sport. This is well known in the sports circles - that is why they test for pot!

Therefore, smoking pot DEFINITELY IS a grounds for stripping an athlete of ALL their medals.

 
xanthippa
Feb 02, 2009
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Rebuttal to: ericalynnnn Show

Well, actually...

Recreational use of pot DOES harm the society. NOT because of anything related to marijuana itself (so it would NOT be harmful if the substance were legalized), but because it undermines the rule of law within a country.

Just because there is a law one deems 'unjust' or 'stupid' does not give anybody the permission to break it. We live in a democratic (sort of) society - we have means to try to change the law. BREAKING the law is, in a very real sense, a breech of the social contract and it IS breaking the foundation on which our society is built.

That is the primary reason why recreational smoking of marijuana is NOT a harmless thing....it affects every single one of us.

The second reason why smoking pot is not harmless also relates to the fact that it is illegal - but in a different way. Because it is illegal, the dealers are members of organized crime - and organized crime DOES undermine the fabric of our society.

Purchasing pot from organized crime syndicates allows them to grow - and that IS a direct threat to the welfare of our society.

So, next time you think you are 'harming no-one' by funding organized crime and undermining the rule of law - please, stop and think about it!

 
littleminx
Feb 02, 2009
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Rebuttal to: ericalynnnn Show

if you smoke it you could be harming someone.....WOULD you smoke next to your 8 month old baby? Would you care if your child went to a party where all the adults were smoking dope and (s)he was inhaling it????

BTW....They just recently linked most of all psychotic illnesses to marijuana ....(FYI MJ throws off the balance of neurotransmitters in the brain)...Illnesses range from depression, dimentia, schizophrenia etc!

Also...the researchers studied the relationship between marijuana use and mood disorders, such as depression and bipolar disorder. They analyzed 22 studies involving 52,000 participants.

The researchers found that any marijuana use actually increased the lifetime risk for mood disorders by about 40%, and weekly or daily use increased the risk by about 50%.

Of course there are other factors that could contribute but lets not be naive and believe that it has absolutely NO SIDE AFFECT!!!


 
sandifromlargo
Feb 03, 2009
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Although this is not a political debate, please make note: President Obama did not smoke marijuana as a Senator. He did it while in College. Still not correct, but MANY young people experimented with a lot of stuff while in College. The point, he corrected his path and ended up in the correct place. Mr. Phelps is also young somewhere in the same age range. Experimenting and making choices may be an error in judgement, but there is time to correct his path and redeem himself. Why have we become people so quick to condem? Look in the damn mirror and examine self BEFORE throwing people to the wolves to perish.

As for Mr Obama and how he is progressing, I think he is making an honest stab at keeping his promises. He will not please everyone, but trying is better than doing nothing. Check him out after first 100 days and see what he has accomplished. People around him, yes, are typical politians, however, they are knowledgeable in their fields and provide experience and consult in areas of their strengths, to support Obamas areas of faults. A wise man surrounds himself with intelligent people around him in areas where his expertise may be lacking. Debate this in a different arena, there are others besides me that hold this opinion and debate much better than I.

 
controlfreak
Feb 03, 2009
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well if professional athletes do drugs it will tempt kids to do drugs to and this is coming from a 12 year old

 
littleminx
Feb 03, 2009
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Rebuttal to: nonconformist Show

no actually you can't do whatever you want...there are laws and regulations that prohibits such behavior.

 
littleminx
Feb 03, 2009
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Rebuttal to: atlas101 Show

hum..?

...do you really think that sport stars are above the law or were you messing around???

anyways...if you were not joking then i guess we will not be seeing you again here since you gave away your house and "personal" belongings.

 
littleminx
Feb 04, 2009
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Rebuttal to: atlas101 Show

...if your life has no meaning because of it, its because you have a weak personality.

I for one don't care and neither do most of the people i know.

Trust me if an epidemic were to occur....and tv, cell phones and all media was reduced to 0.....i highly doubt people would go into cardiac arrest or commit suicide......but if they do I could care less...obviously those people would not contribute much to society.....they would only be a waste of flesh and space.

 
littleminx
Feb 08, 2009
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Rebuttal to: atlas101 Show

How do they not contribute to society.....

Do they not pay their taxes?
Do they not pay their bills?
Do they not work???

They are just like us, they pay their bills, work...do community service...etc. They even adopt kids!!!

HOW do they NOT contribute to society???????

 
brivapor
Feb 02, 2009
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I think that marijuana should be dropped from the illicet drugs category
Ok for an athlete to smoke pot
Not ok to do coke and the other 'real' drugs

 
crashtragic
Feb 03, 2009
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ALL people should be penalised for taking illegal drugs.


Regardless of their position in the media

 
littleminx
Feb 04, 2009
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Rebuttal to: nonconformist Show

....well Im not going to argue with you on this topic here. That's why we have our own battle debate going on. :-) .....

 


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