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Is God (catholic God) really there?
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patmac
Jan 18, 2009
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patmac
Jan 18, 2009
2 convinced
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The Cathlic God is the true God because:
1.) His Church is the only church that can trace her roots back to Jesus and the aposltes
2.) The resseruction of His son is an historical event
3.) FAITH


 
patmac
Jan 19, 2009
1 convinced
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first of all the other christian faiths do not belive in a different God, they don;t interpet the meaning the same. Listen, if you're going to debate this, then at the very least, try to well, know what you are talking about! Please! God is really there. There is no question that there is some sort of divine being. This debate really comes down to is that divine being the Catholic God? Yes HE is.

 
whateverx245
Jan 20, 2009
1 convinced
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I believe in the "Catholic" God. He is real to me, and He is real to all who believe in Him. If you don't believe in Him("Catholic" God), then you simply are not a catholic. You may believe in someone else or a different version of the "Catholic" God or you may not believe. There is nothing wrong in that; there are so many different believes out there.
There is so many things that people believe, but people cannot prove. I believe in gravity, but some don't. I nor anybody else can prove it exists. It is a belief. God(s) is pretty much the same way; you either believe or you don't. Neither side is right or wrong.
God(s) is/are real to those who believe. If you don't believe then you don't believe. No one can change you mind, no one can prove that a God or gods exist.

 
patmac
Jan 21, 2009
1 convinced
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Rebuttal to: teachme Show

um lets see teachme..oh yeah i can use your name also..
anyways
yes the bible states God's gender (not directly) but if it states that ummm, man was made in His image, than i'm pretty sure He is a He...and faith is a powerful word that scientist and the "intellects" refuse to accept because (ha) God forbid it goes against their theorys and crap like that.
There is a divine being there, sorry to burrst your bubble and here is where there is scientific proof, ok? The big bang.....? Hmmmm? where did the original matter that blew up come from? (sorry and no, there is no infinity except for, oh GOD!!)
so there is a divine being..
now is it the Catholic God?
yes it sure is!!!
Faith can prove it
as can this little pamphlet that is the most read book in the world
as can the many historians who have proven the reseruction is an actual event (but they claim he never died but was simply in a coma ) (sorry to burst your bubble again)
so there is a god, and that God happens to be the roman catholic God....
oh and if you think that Zeus is the real god..whoever posted that stupid statement...do you really think a divine being would get involved woth puny mortals? I dont think so
Thanks

 

Jan 19, 2009
0 convinced
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Its called faith...either you have it or you don't ;-)

 
patmac
Jan 19, 2009
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Rebuttal to: jonjax71 Show

send me the challlenge and i'll gladly accept it...


 

Jan 20, 2009
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Rebuttal to: hottubwille Show

I strongly disagree with you...faith has helped me overcome many things. I have Faith that human kind will do good. I have faith that God will protect me from harm, I have faith that God is loving and caring etc. faith is a good thing

 
whateverx245
Jan 24, 2009
0 convinced
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Rebuttal to: hottubwille Show

look it up. gravity is a scientific theory. no one is able to prove gravity exists. it is called the theory of gravity, not the law of gravity.



 
patmac
Jan 27, 2009
0 convinced
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Rebuttal to: teachme Show

does it matter if God has a gender, listen if HE is divine, then it doesn't really, that's besides the point, the point is if He exists, and He does.
Look, there's no evidence that proves you right.......
I mean, no facts, (oh well if HE did exsist than all would be good and just) thats not possible because of free will
Listen, earth is basically a test for us to see if we get into heaven and what actions we take
Thanks

 
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hottubwille
Jan 20, 2009
2 convinced
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Rebuttal to: Show

Faith is the root of all that is wrong on the planet today. Abandon faith and we all live in peace. Believe in things based on faith and you are capable of anything and everything.

 
thoughtprocess
Jan 18, 2009
1 convinced
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I don't believe the "Catholic" God exists.

 
brivapor
Jan 18, 2009
1 convinced
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Rebuttal to: patmac Show

the catholic god is just the next step after the hebrew god which is just the next step after the Egyptian god

and if your using the bible as a historically acurate source, rock on skippy

 
orbistertius
Jan 18, 2009
1 convinced
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Rebuttal to: brivapor Show

Not to mention the pretty strong evidence linking it to Zoroastrianism.

 
jonjax71
Jan 19, 2009
1 convinced
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Rebuttal to: thoughtprocess Show

If there would be a "god", a supreme being, a higher intelligence, that entity has no religion!

 
hottubwille
Jan 20, 2009
1 convinced
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Rebuttal to: patmac Show

I am pretty sure Zeus is the only true god. He was here long before your cult was formed. He ruled men during the craddle of civilization. He is all powerful and laughs at your gods.

 
brivapor
Jan 20, 2009
1 convinced
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zeitgeist is an awsome conspiracy movie to watch if you want a new and completly diferent view on the world religiouns and why they exist

 
hottubwille
Jan 21, 2009
1 convinced
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Rebuttal to: Show

Is it possible you are using the word "faith" rather loosely? For example: You have faith that human kind will do good. But, in realty you have much more then faith, you have real examples, you have actual proof that humans can and will do good. I suppose you could then also say you have faith that humankind will do bad because there is also proof of this too. For either case no faith is needed because both are certain to occur.

You also have faith that god will protect you from harm. But, to what extent? Are you willing to jump out a 5th story window to prove it? How strong is your faith here?Maybe in reality you trust your intelligent knowledge of physics and the world around you enough to know how to (for the most part) aviod harming yourself. You also have faith that god is loving and caring. This is a much better use of the word faith, however, there are so many examples around to show that IF there is a god he/she/it is not really all that loving or caring. Maybe you are hoping that if there is a god he will love and care about you even though he clearly has no regard for millions and millions of other poor suffering people on this planet.

Clearly you can see the difference between real knowledge, hope and faith. I think your example illustrate exactly why faith is dangerous. If your really, really had faith that god was protecting you then maybe you would leap in front of a train or maybe you would have enough faith to blow up a bus full of children because the god you have faith in commands it and rewards martyrs with virgins. Faith can only get you into trouble. Better to stick with those things you know and that make sense.


 
obviouschild
Jan 22, 2009
1 convinced
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Rebuttal to: patmac Show

Are you taking illegal hallucinogenic drugs?

Science is inherently agnostic. It makes no statements about God's existence or lack of existence. Science does not even attempt to study God as God is of the supernatural and therefore out of science's field of study.

Your argument for God is rather weak. Essentially you claim God exists because of the gaps in current knowledge. If we cannot explain it now, therefore Goddidit. That's rather undeveloped and stupid way of thinking about the world. If one cannot explain how a microwave works, therefore God exists and is the cause of why I press buttons on it and my food gets hot. Pretty retarded if you ask me.

Faith can prove effectively nothing as faith is a belief which has no evidence. How can faith prove a God exists? That makes no sense.

On top of that, Jesus's resurrection is not a proven historical fact.

I gotta wonder if you're Ranger back under a new name. You just argued against Zeus as being the real God by saying that a divine being wouldn't get involved with puny mortals but claim your God exists despite getting involved with puny mortals.

 
debateman
Feb 28, 2009
1 convinced
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Alright now I'm gonna go completely off the topic here to point out one crucial point, In the bible we all know that it starts with the creation theory(now I'm Christian but I am so breaking off from that shiz after school). It starts with the stuff about Adam and Eve, telling how he created the world. I can tell you right now THAT IS A LOAD OF BULL. How the heck was this god person able to create the Earth? let alone the entire universe? and there is evidence to suggest that space is ever expanding faster than the speed of light. Is god creating right now? is god watching over us? is god constantly keeping peace on Earth? the solar system? the universe? the entire DAMNED place we call home??? NO! he isn't. Now listen, people have their theories about how the earth was created but I haven't thought of a theory of how this rock with magma inside was created but i do think I found how the water and oxygen got on our planet, and it wasn't by god. Back when earth was spinning as a barren rock filled with magma, asteroids constantly hit the earth because of the planets lack of an atmosphere. Filled inside of these rocks were small traces of the substance we call water or H2O. Now take into your mind that this took millions of years for the planet to load up on water, filling the cracks and creating oceans. If this would keep on happening the Earth would either be covered in water or have more land then we do today because water and magma create land. But, scientists have found an ancient life form that very well be the first living organism on earth. Like a common day tree this rock-like organism takes in carbon dioxide and puts out oxygen. Now, the oceans at the time would have been green and the sky red because of the lack of oxygen. Again this process would have taken millions of years for oxygen to win the planet over. Finding the basis of life organisms soon began to thrive and evolve to what we know today. Alright even though it's a round about way of saying it but there is no freaking way any being could have done this in 7 DAYS.

 
jonjax71
Jan 18, 2009
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Rebuttal to: patmac Show

The Catholic God?
The Catholic God is the trinity, the father, son and the holy spirit/ghost.
So according to you other Chrisitians faiths who also believe in the trinity have a different false god

Then there are the other Christian faiths who don't adhere to the trinity and dozens of other non-christian religions who according to you believe in false gods too. Only the Vatican and the Catholic God are the true religion and God.

Does this true Catholic God include the Eastern Orthodox Catholics too?



 
frankiej4189
Jan 18, 2009
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Rebuttal to: orbistertius Show

Zoroastrianism seems to have a lot more in common with early Indian and Buddhist teachings than it does Christianity. What are some of the similarities between Zoroastrianism and Christianity? I looked it up on Wikipedia and couldn't find all that much.

 
jonjax71
Jan 19, 2009
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Rebuttal to: brivapor Show

There are many steps between the Egyptian's view on god and Judaism's perspective

 
brivapor
Jan 19, 2009
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Rebuttal to: jonjax71 Show

im just saying something I saw in that famous conspiracy movie, I forget what it was called

seemed like a lot of the stories were about the constelations and seasons of the sun, just put into the worship of gods

anybody know the name of that movie, its interesting all the crazy similarities it brings up

 
jonjax71
Jan 19, 2009
0 convinced
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Rebuttal to: patmac Show

Oh okay, perhpas you are more intelligent and wiser than me, no problem-I don't claim to be in the top percentage of smarts however at least I know how to express my thoughts with proper syntax and grammar.

So, I am willing to debate this with you, I challenge you to a debate about the Catholic God being the true God, not whether there is a God or not but that the Catholic God you write about and created a debate about is the only real God

I see you like to convince your own retorts


 
davidsnowlu
Jan 19, 2009
0 convinced
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Rebuttal to: patmac Show

You're wrong because:
1) You don't specifiy what church God endorses. What is "his" church? Are you saying that God only supports one church, or that the Catholic church believes that God only supports the Catholic church?
2) Not only can that not be verified, but there are other Christian churches, you know. Are you claiming that Catholics are the only Christians?
3) A hunch. My gut doesn't lie.

 
hottubwille
Jan 22, 2009
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Rebuttal to: whateverx245 Show

I can prove gravity exists. Jump off your roof and see which direction you move towards...

 
hottubwille
Jan 25, 2009
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Rebuttal to: whateverx245 Show

You must be home schooled. It's Newton's 2nd LAW. THE LAW OF GRAVITY!!!!

However, I suggest you put the theory to the test as soon as possible. Here's how you do it, go to the roof of your house and jump off. If you fall down and break your leg then you will have proved the theory correct and you can join the rest of the human race as understanding the LAW of Gravity. If you fly or float then you will instantly have become the most famous human ever to have lived. Go ahead and let me know how you do?

 
f145h
Jan 26, 2009
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Rebuttal to: hottubwille Show

I would argue the point that there is no God. However, I stand by the idea that Faith is indeed powerful.
Faith has saved and guided many people's lifes. Yet you ridicule the idea and lonewolf's 'use' of it. I will have to strongly disagree with you here.


"I suppose you could then also say you have faith that humankind will do bad because there is also proof of this too. For either case no faith is needed because both are certain to occur."

There is a certain naivety to this argument. The world is ever-changing there is no absolute. No one person can perfectly predict the future. So lonewolf's Faith in humankind is not misplaced, just obviously misunderstood.

"You also have faith that god will protect you from harm. But, to what extent? Are you willing to jump out a 5th story window to prove it? How strong is your faith here?"

This is as foolish as the point saying. 'Do you do everything they tell you? If they told you to jump off a cliff would you do it?' The answer is no. No one is that retarded to take a small manner from stealing a cookie to jumping off a cliff. Anyways...point is. Faith in God protects you from the evils of the world. Not from your own stupidity.

“...IF there is a god he/she/it is not really all that loving or caring. Maybe you are hoping that if there is a god he will love and care about you even though he clearly has no regard for millions and millions of other poor suffering people on this planet.”

You are dodging the idea of Faith. You are now challenging the idea of God then rebutting the idea of faith.
And as for the poor suffering people on this planet, I would sense a lack of Faith about them. They probably are not keen to the idea of it either for their unfortunate state. However, if they were to surmise to the idea of Faith there lives would improve. They would feel better. There life would change. There is no arguing that. It has happened time and time again.

“I think your example illustrate exactly why faith is dangerous. If your really, really had faith that god was protecting you then maybe you would leap in front of a train or maybe you would have enough faith to blow up a bus full of children because the god you have faith in commands it and rewards martyrs with virgins.”

Again with a poor analogy comparing absolute stupidity to what Faith really pertains to. Also, “…the god you have faith in commands it and rewards martyrs with virgins.” I am pretty sure that is up for interpretation and am quite sure the Bible does not mean to be read that particular way.

I feel I must add to this, I am a fervent atheist and strongly stand by the idea ‘there is no God’, but my ideas are my own. As one’s Faith is his own. I can not find reason to ridicule someone’s Faith as long as they are tolerant of one’s personal beliefs.


 
scarleta
Jun 27, 2009
0 convinced
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Rebuttal to: teachme Show

"Lowly human being"!? Humans are the only species on the planet (possibly the only species anywhere) that can even understand the question. If you can think of a better judge I would like to hear who it is. You can't say god either because you can't use god's existence to support your proposition that we can't know whether god exists.

 
teachme
Jun 30, 2009
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Rebuttal to: scarleta Show

Understanding the question is one thing...answering it, is quite another.

The nature of our existence as human beings seems to dictate that we spend our whole lives grappling with the essence of life...the reason for religion to begin with.

We can't even come close to understanding who we are...never mind the totality of what is outside of ourselves, others...or what some would call "God."

 
christwarrior
Dec 02, 2010
0 convinced
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Since both catholic and christianity take the bible as the word of God. What does God say throughout about superstitions, rituals ,and traditions. (law)

 
theudas
Dec 02, 2010
0 convinced
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Rebuttal to: patmac Show

Those who claim truth are required to provide the evidence to back it up.

1) Even if its the first Church, one would have to prove the religion to be true.
2) The resurrection cannot be confirmed and based on how the world works is impossible. Again proof is required
3)Faith is not evidence.

There is no good reason to believe in your God. If you have evidence please present it.

 


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