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frankiej4189
Jan 09, 2009
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thales
Jan 16, 2009
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Rebuttal to: helpme Show

Let's say that I want to dye my hair blue, and you--my neighbor three doors down--don't want me to dye my hair blue. You believe firmly that it would be wrong for me to do so (hey; it's unnatural!), and since we pass each other on the street occasionally, you would certainly have to see it.

Which statement is more true:

1) If I dye my hair blue, then I would be forcing my beliefs on you, or

2) If you convince our town to outlaw blue hair dye, then you would be forcing your beliefs on me?

We have to coexist with a whole lot of different people in this world, and restricting homosexuals has a whole lot more impact on them than letting them go about their business unharassed could ever have on you.

 
011235813
Jan 10, 2009
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Rebuttal to: marcas03 Show

So, being Male is abnormal in the US, because only 49% of US citizens are male? Being homosexual is no more abnormal than having red hair.

 
vancam
Jan 10, 2009
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Normal, and it's something that everyone should try at least once.

Personally I'm not shocked by homosexuality, but find it distinctly normal. Now, finding the truly 'abnormal' on a planet such as this is a worthwhile investigation, but using a label like abnormal about a community as large and prevalent as the gay community is is simply quite ridiculous.

I'm not sure what people hope to achieve with debates like these in the year 2009or for that matter what they hoped to achieve at the turn of the century Isn't this a non issue yet?

 
vancam
Jan 10, 2009
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"I accept homosexuality, homophobia is irrational and immature. However, it is not "normal", "normal" is defined conformation to contemporary standard, unfortunately, only 11% of the world are considered homosexual, this entails homosexuality is not "normal"."

The correspondence to the norm that I am indicating is the acceptance of homosexuality in society. Since 'abnormal' is offered as the opposing position I think that this interpretation is more relevant in regards to what is considered abnormal and consequently somehow out of the ordinary.

"Vancam" stated that it's something everyone should try, implying homosexuality is a choice, neurologists have found that the brain's of homosexuality men, work in a more similar way to heterosexual female brains, this implies the involvement of genetics."

Really, I was only implying that even if you think you are heterosexual you should still indulge in some homosexuality at some point in your life for fun. I want to make it absolutely clear that I do understand and agree that homosexuality isn't a choice. This will teach me to be less flippant in future. In no way do I sign up to the right wing religious nuts that claim that psychology can be in some way "cured" and would be devastated if my remarks where associated with such claptrap.

 
hottubwille
Jan 10, 2009
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Does god know you hang out with sinners?

 
frankiej4189
Jan 15, 2009
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Rebuttal to: helpme Show

It does seem a bit hypocritical for pro gay marriage advocates to call anyone who has a differing opinion than them either homophoic and/or intolerant.

I have my opinions about homosexuality. Its a fascinating thing to observe in our society, but i find it abnormal and unnatural. I'm not a homophoic, i don't hate gays, i don't agree with their lifestyle. Those are my beliefs as well as the beliefs of others, i was under the impression that everyone was entitled to an opinion. But under this homosexuality issue, it would seem otherwise.

 
orbistertius
Jan 17, 2009
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Rebuttal to: helpme Show

"They want me to agree that the lifestyle is natural and moral..."

Yes, very much so. Most of us (the "they" you refer to) believe that any ethical system worth its salt will have nothing against homosexuality. We believe that our communities would be better places to live in if everyone agreed with us. We will try our hardest to change the minds of those who don't.

But there are miles of distance between strongly advocating a belief and imposing one. Can you point to even a single instance when we have crossed the line from advocacy to imposition?

I think not. On the other side of the issue, however, laws based on a moral code that says homosexuality is immoral DO impose that belief on society at large.

 
orbistertius
Jan 20, 2009
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Rebuttal to: helpme Show

Frankly, the only thing that even seems to come close to imposing a belief in all of what you wrote is this: "...forced to undergo 2 months of an anti-discrimination course .."

As for the rest:

Homosexuals are a minority. Legally recognizing them as such does not force you to accept their behavior as moral any more than granting blacks minority status forces you to not be a racist.

Who did the Lesbian Avengers impose their beliefs on? They made readily available advocates of their viewpoint, that is all. Certainly they did less to impose their viewpoint than a Sunday school does. As for the phone sex: that's in very bad taste, I'll grant you. But it doesn't impose anything upon the children who received the cards. Finally, they were "charged with trespassing only." What else would you have them charged with? Corrupting the youth? As far as I can tell trespassing is the only illegal thing they did.

 
verya
Mar 16, 2009
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Humans aren't the only homosexual organisms on Earth. Some dolphins have shown a homosexual trait and behaviors, as well as ducks. It's a trait, a difference, not a disorder or abnormality. And apparently, it evolves in organisms. It's just as much a difference as having black hair or blue eyes instead of blond hair and brown eyes - homosexual instead of heterosexual. It's a gene.

 
skepticspeak
Jan 10, 2009
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Of course it's normal, but unfortunately, in the eyes of a large portion of the world, represented mainly by ranger, homosexuality is seen as abnormal, for no real reason.

 
thoughtprocess
Jan 10, 2009
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NORMAL!

 
frankiej4189
Jan 10, 2009
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I wish i could have lived in the sexual looseness of the 60's and 70's.

Was there as big a problem with STD's back then as there is now?

 
jonjax71
Jan 10, 2009
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I'm not one to believe that homosexuality is a choice

It is not always the case as some persons are born with a genetic predisposition to be homosexual or the other gender. These are in the minority but envoirment in adolescence or early teens can heavily influence the sexual preference of a person

 
zombieslayer1
Jan 10, 2009
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Its none of my buisness on what people's sexual preference is. Besides I really dont understand why people have such a hard time accepting people for who they are.

 
011235813
Jan 10, 2009
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Abnormal =/= unusual. There is nothing wrong with red hair OR homosexuality. They are unusual, yes, but there is nothing wrong with them. Abnormal carries a negative connotation.

 
011235813
Jan 10, 2009
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The way it's used does. That's what is really important.

 
denverdannydee
Jan 11, 2009
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Sexual intercourse was and is intended for one male and one female only, no not just to make babys, for pleasure too but only between a man and a woman. Anything else is deviant behavior

 
melanie11
Jan 11, 2009
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I believe homosexuality is normal. Many people would argue that it is abnormal based on what they believe. Just because it is not normal to you, does not make it abnormal. We are told as a society that it is abnormal and wrong, and very few people question that. I believe it is completely normal, and I have absolutely nothing against homosexuals.

 
teachme
Jan 11, 2009
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I think the key is, no matter how you choose to define "normal"...homosexuality is "normal" for the homosexual...and isn't that all that should really matter?

Does anyone desire to do anything that seems unnatural and abnormal to them? ...Of course not! So, why can't people just leave it at that!? Why can't people be tolerant and allow for individuality, and variance in nature?

Sometimes I view homosexuality as an "exaggerated," if you will, or "extreme" condition of self-love. Like Jonjax, I've never had the desire for a homosexual experience. So, at least for now, Vancam...I'm afraid, I'll have to pass on your advice! ;)

However, all too often, societal mores and religious dogma interfere with people's clear thinking and skew their good judgement. The topic of homosexuality is certainly no exception. In my opinion...to say that homosexuality is "statistically" or "evolutionally" abnormal is...conceptually, a delusion...and simply a waste of breath.

The fact is, homosexuality has existed in nature, for eons...and therefore, has its place...right alongside heterosexuality. Words like, "percentages"..."normal" and "abnormal"...really have no value in this discussion, and make no definitive point.

 
vancam
Jan 12, 2009
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I've re-read your argument a few times now. I must admit there is something there. Good work, you've made me think.

 
vancam
Jan 12, 2009
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As I said to macras03, you're argument has given me pause for thought. Thank you.

 
teachme
Jan 12, 2009
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Mutations are not viewed as "normal," but are a given and necessary fact of life. Evolutionarily speaking...if the phenomenon of mutations did not occur...life itself would, more than likely...no longer exist. Could homosexuality be considered as a type of mutation...hmm?

Frankie posted..."Also, because someone chooses to partake in something doesn't make that something normal either."

Again...homosexuality is "normal" to the homosexual. You can place your own 'judgement' upon it...combat it with religious dogma, but...that would all come down to you, essentially, imposing your own belief system onto another. That really doesn't amount to a whole lot...especially if they are not harming anyone.

 
meerhet
Jan 15, 2009
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11% reported, but that probably isn't a very accurate number.

 
meerhet
Jan 15, 2009
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Actually, in regards to people, normality is generally defined simply as being physically and mentally healthy. You obviously agree that homosexuals are mentally healthy, therefore it is normal.

 
teachme
Jan 15, 2009
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What are they fighting for, Helpme? They are fighting for equal rights...under the law, mainly. They are not going out of their way to "convert" people, or force their beliefs on others.

 
frankiej4189
Jan 15, 2009
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I wish you would be more active on this website Tricity.

 
orbistertius
Jan 17, 2009
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I accidentally flagged this while trying to add it to my watch list. I don't know what that does, but I hope it doesn't result in anything bad - I certainly didn't intend for it to.

 
maxwell
Feb 23, 2009
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Can you give me a statistical perspective on sexuality?

 
iimuzik
Jan 29, 2010
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Homosexuality is a CHOICE. And its that person whoever makes it choice so saying that is an abomination or wrong is not right. And who are we to stnad in the way of people lives. it's their decision not ours. one never knows what a person has been through to make them gay/lesbian or if gay is a born way of life. Why are we judging people who just what to be themselves?

 
convincemeadmin
Jan 08, 2011
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Homosexuality may be abnormal... but it is in no way wrong. The truth is everybody is abnormal in one way or another. Because some people use this abnormality as a way too put their opinions ahead while disregarding human rights and etc the homosexual community has been forced to defend themselves many times. However there is no reason why we should in any way attack smear or otherwise defame homosexuals because we don't like them.

 
theudas
Jan 09, 2011
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A good word to use would be uncommon. As relationships are commonly heterosexual and less common are homosexual ones.

Abnormal is a poor choice of words as it implies something negative (abnormal - deviating from what is normal or usual, typically in a way that is undesirable or worrying)

Considering that the potential issues that come with homosexuality (such as std’s) are not unique to homosexuality (you can have the same issues in heterosexual relations) there is no need to imply something negative about it. and since homosexuality is a natural phenomenon (Natural - existing in or caused by nature; not made or caused by humankind) as it can be observed in many other species we can not bring that argument against it.

So in conclusion homosexuality compared to the numbers of heterosexuals, just like red-heads are less common than brunettes

 
knlong12
Feb 25, 2011
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Being gay IS normal. It is widely accepted nowadays. Gay marriage won't ENCOURAGE people to be gay at all. I think it is unacceptable, in my opinion, to not ALLOW two lovers to unite, no matter the gender. Personally, I believe if you don't like it, then just don't get married to someone of the same sex. Let two people who truly love each other be together without being discriminated against. Just because they can't produce doesn't mean that it is wrong for them to unite in matrimony. In fact, if gay marriage was allowed, the adoption rates would go up, so that children wouldn't be without parents. The world does NOT need more children. In fact, our world is pretty full as it is. It is not true at all that straight parents ONLY raise straight children. You can't help who you love, and those who are making this impossible for two lovers to unite are just insensitive. Just because gay marriage is not supported by religion, does not mean that it should not be allowed. This is MINORITY DISCRMINATION. Not everyone has to agree to the same religion. Christianity never commended nor condemned homosexuality. What happened to "everyone is created equally?" Apparently we aren't. But we are created differently. If we really aren't supposed to have gays in the world, why are they here? If the Christians who won't accept this, don't. You don't have to. We aren't all going to agree on everything, but that doesn't mean you should take someone's rights away. Just because you don't agree with it, you would resort to disallowing something that the gay population have been wanting. Personally I believe straight people are being selfish on this issue. If you think about it, the STD rates would go down if gays could marry. That way, they would only be having sex with their partner. No more "promiscuous" behaviors, since so many people think that gays are "promiscuous", which is not true. I thought this was a nation where we accept differences. I guess not. You can't let religion run the nation when the Bible never said ANYTHING about being gay. Let the straight people be straight if they want, and let the gay people be gay if they want. If you don't like it, don't. But don't discriminate against them. Homophobia is just immature.

 
Leonardo Carvalho
Aug 05, 2012
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Actually, no. The sexual orientation is determined by a gene, and people born with their sexual orientations. Besides, in more than 300 animal species was registred homosexuals individuals. Sexual orientation is defined by nature, so it's normal.

 
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marcas03
Jan 10, 2009
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I accept homosexuality, homophobia is irrational and immature. However, it is not "normal", "normal" is defined conformation to contemporary standard, unfortunately, only 11% of the world are considered homosexual, this entails homosexuality is not "normal". This does not make it "wrong" or for any reason, "unacceptable".

"Vancam" stated that it's something everyone should try, implying homosexuality is a choice, neurologists have found that the brain's of homosexuality men, work in a more similar way to heterosexual female brains, this implies the involvement of genetics. Homosexuality is believed to be caused by an over-excretion of a certain hormone during pregnancy, it's a shady area of science.

Someone arguing homosexuality is regarded as abnormal for no real reason, the reason is very blatant. During the American presidential elections, political pundits evaluated the syndrome whereby people would vote for Barack Obama to not seem racist, not due to his policies etc, thankfully, this effect was barely felt, he won, because he deserved it. I think the people who argued homosexuality is "normal", are advocating it so strongly as a result of the same effect.

 
louie
Jan 10, 2009
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Someone, or society can be accepting of behavior while still considering it abnormal. It seems you are trying to change the definition of normal. There is absolutely nothing wrong with being left-handed either, yet it is still considered abnormal because the majority of the population is right-handed.

As for heterosexuals trying it for fun, that's just dumb. As a heterosexual, what would be fun about participating in an activity I don't want to do? Please don't respond with "you never know until you try it" because I have a brain which, among other things, allows foresight. I've never tried to make out with my dog but I can tell you I wouldn't enjoy it. Note: I'm not comparing that to homosexuality, I'm making a point about foresight.

 
idiminish
Jan 10, 2009
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In much of the world, abnormal.

Since many religions view homosexuality as sin, many cultures (which have been influenced by those religions) view homosexuality as abnormal.

'But I'm not religious,' you might say, or, 'I don't believe in God.' Fine. Most atheistic or agnostics adhere to evolution. Homosexuality is abnormal according to biological evolution because it cannot propagate the species. In fact, in terms of biological evolution, heterosexuals are the 'fittest' and should survive while homosexuals are the 'less fit.' So, biological evolution finds homosexuality to be ultimately abnormal. Of course, evolution (if one does actually adhere to it) is without compassion and concern.

So, the majority consensus might be that be design (whether divine or evolutionary) human beings are expected to be heterosexual. Thus, homosexuality is abnormal (i.e. unexpected from the design).

 
frankiej4189
Jan 10, 2009
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Rebuttal to: 011235813 Show

Being male or female isn't a lifestyle, its a specific genetic make up and it is a very distinct part of you. I'm not one to believe that homosexuality is a choice, so it could be said that homosexuality is just as much a part of a person as their gender, but i'd have to disagree. A person's sexual preference is a part of them, but to a smaller degree than their sexual organs.

Normal is defined as "conforming to the standard or the common type; usual; not abnormal; regular; natural". Homosexuality isn't normal. Its not the standard, its not all that common, its not usual. If that 11% figure is correct, that means that really only a small percentage of human beings engage in this behaviour, making it not normal.

*Oh and having red hair is extremely abnormal. Some say that the gene that carries "red hair" is dying out and red heads will be phased out completely some time in the near future.

 
bricheze
Jan 10, 2009
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While it is perfectly natural to be homosexual, it is still statistically abnormal.

 
frankiej4189
Jan 12, 2009
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Rebuttal to: teachme Show

Something with a long history doesn't mean its normal. Also, because someone chooses to partake in something doesn't make that something normal either.

 
helpme
Jan 15, 2009
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And If those who believe that homosexuality is "normal" and fight, judicially and socially, for its overall acceptance then are they not also imposing their beliefs on those who do not accept the behavior as "normal"?

Are they not doing the very thing that you accuse Frankie of doing? Imposing belief.

 
tricitymerchants11
Jan 15, 2009
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I personally think homosexuality is abnormal. I have no problems or issues with it. I do have issues with it being shoved down my throat like many other things in life (religion, politics, etc) I feel like anything that is "abnormal" or in the minority these days, calls for a outcry as if people in those minority groups are being "picked on." Whatever people want to do or actually do, I say just do it and shut up about it. I don't go preaching to anyone about things I consider myself "in the minority group" about. I am who I am.

But I personally feel like homosexuals always have to flaunt "their stuff" to make a statement. I don't go around making out with my wife in public to show my "straight-ness" so I find some of the actions of homosexuals to be extremely inappropriate.

Like I said, people can do whatever they want and I don't go judging anyone unless it's thrown in my face. I feel the same way with religious loonies and people who preach politics to an extreme.

I do think homosexuality is abnormal nonetheless. I do things that I can openly say are abnormal. But that is what I do, and it is who I am. People can do whatever they want as long it doesn't hurt anyone.

 
helpme
Jan 16, 2009
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They may not want to "convert" people but, they certainly force their beliefs on people, at least no less than the Christian is accused of forcing religion on people. They want everyone to accept that their lifestyle as OK and if people resist they are called homophobes, bigots, and hate mongers. They are trying to integrate the idea that their lifstyle is Ok in every walk of life, schools, media, gov't, ect.

 
011235813
Jan 16, 2009
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You said it better than I would have.

 
helpme
Jan 16, 2009
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# 1 would be MORE true if it were a complete thought. But, you forgot to include that while I am happy to "coexist" and let "them" go about their business, they (the community in general) are not happy to leave it at that. They want me to agree that the lifestyle is natural and moral and want to label me with fun terms like, bigot and hate monger if I disagree. They want to teach my children, in school, that their old man is an old fashioned non-thinker who is nothing more than an homophobic idiot.

Coexisting is perfectly fine with me. Pressuring me to accept everyone's lifestyle is not fine with me.

 
helpme
Jan 19, 2009
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"Can you point to even a single instance when we have crossed the line from advocacy to imposition? "

Here are a few that are fairly easy to verify.


Under the guise of civil rights, homosexual lobbyists are pressuring Congress to grant "sexual orientation" minority status. Then, behaving as a homosexual, lesbian, bisexual or transgender will be considered a special minority as are Hispanics, Blacks, Women, etc. Such action forces special protection based on one's sexual lifestyle.



The LESBIAN AVENGERS handed out Valentine Cards to elementary school children in West Springfield Mass @ Kowling Elementary School this year that said, "Ask About Lesbian Love. Girls who love girls, and women who love women are OK. Happy Valentines Day". It included an 800 # for the National Gay & Lesbian Hot Line that was an advertisement for "America's wildest, hottest phone sex service, hot uncensored gay phone sex". They were able to get in to the school for 15 minutes with a reporter, were kicked off of the grounds and charged with trespassing only.



Ann Hacklander and Maureen Rowe had advertised for a third roommate at the University of Wisconsin @ Madison. They turned down an applicant because she was a lesbian and because of their "Homosexual Rights Ordinance", the girls were fined $1,000 each, forced to undergo 2 months of an anti-discrimination course taught by lesbians, and monitored for the next year to insure against future discrimination.




 
spitonem
May 13, 2010
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...gay.

 

Jan 10, 2009
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where I have no problem with homosexuals and several of my friends being such, I, as a Christian, do see it as a sin...but as thinking about it again...sinning is well, and God forbid ranger heres me say this, normal for mankind to do. We all sin. So scratch what i just said homosexuality is normal, just in my eyes as a Christian, I believe its a sin.

 

Jan 10, 2009
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yes...do they influence me to sin? not really lol

 
jonjax71
Jan 10, 2009
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**** Normal, and it's something that everyone should try at least once. ****

I am not homophobic, I am very pro-equal rights for male and female homsexuals, I also approve of same sex marriages. My wife and I have homosexual friends of both genders, some act just as any other persons do except when they are in the bedroom, others are blatantly effeminate or butch, we don't care-it's their life and their sexual preference

That said I adamantly oppose having a homosexual experience even once, it does not float my boat. I have no problems with anyone trying it once, twice, thrice or how ever many times they want, I also have no issues with anyone who wants to be bi-sexual but it is not for me.

I must admit I came close to experiencing a sexual encounter of the closest kind with a male back in the early 70s. I was involved in a 3-way, 2 males and a female at the behest of the lady who wanted to experience what is was like to have 2 men, anyhow after a hearty romp lasting a few hours, the other male-her steady, made a move towards my mid section with an open smile and before I knew it began covering my johnson to which i quicky jumped out of dodge, he then said well you can place it in my back side if you wish and I refused that as well.

Also in the latter 70s a few years after we were married, my wife made a confession to me that while she was in college she had an affair with her roommate and wanted me to have a 3-some with her and her girl pal, so I witnessed first hand a female homosexual encounter as well as being part of it.




 
jonjax71
Jan 10, 2009
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Keep in mind that when folks say the 60s, they do not refer to the calendar decade of the 1960s, but actually only the latter half as the first half of the 60s was still an extension of the 1950s for the most part and in part the genesis of what would occur starting in 1966, kind of in conjunction with the release of the seminal Beatles Sgt Peppers album

Conversely the 70s which was really part of the 60s only lasted to about the mid-70s when disco and saturday night fever tamed things down.

There was no fear of AIDS or HIV previous to the 1980s. You could contract syphillis and or gonorrhea but a few shots of penicilin or other anti-biotics would take care of it. That lack of fear along with the onset of "the pill" made the sexual revolution even more popular so to say but the sexual openess and revolution was a breakway from the previous constraints, the Leave it to beaver, Father know best syndrome of the 1950s, hence mini skirts, see thru blouses, no bras, no hang ups, porn movies were screened in mainstream cinemas and actually had substance and plots to them along side explicit sex

Whites wanted to make it with blacks, blacks wanted to have latinas, asian etc, a winderful croos pollination period that is being reflective in the changing nature of contemporary US citizens' appearance, as Time magazine wrote about a few years ago, "the browning of America", that scares some folks who want lily white to be the majority and dominant force in this nation



 
frankiej4189
Jan 10, 2009
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It's definition doesn't.

 
frankiej4189
Jan 15, 2009
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Rebuttal to: teachme Show

Again...just because something is normal to someone, doesn't make that something a normal thing. Statistically speaking, homosexuality is a rarity. It is not statistically normal.

That's all this debate is aimed for. My comments and my opinions about homosexuality and homosexuals has nothing to do with my Catholicism, nothing at all. Since you're so sure within yourself where MY opinions originate, let me provide you with my religions feelings on the issue.

If God has a problem with homosexuals, let God deal with it. I don't know if Gays are "going to hell", none of us do. Personally, i doubt they are (assuming they're good people). It's not my place to proclaim such a thing. That's the only facet of religion i incorporate into my views. So before you go generalizing and making your presumptious opinions about the opinions of others you know nothing about, think again because you can find yourself of the same stereotypical attitudes you seem to dislike so much..

A person will make their own way in life, how they choose to spend their very short time here on this Earth is up to them. Frankly, i don't give a damn how they do it or what they do as long as it doesn't personally affect me. I don't think being gay is normal. I think its wierd and kind of gross. There's not one thing wrong with having those beliefs, as they are mine and don't affect anyone else.

 
orbistertius
Jan 15, 2009
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I don't really get the negative vibe from abnormal either. To me, abnormality just indicates some sort of statistically significant minority. In that sense, homosexuals are clearly abnormal.

I think some recoil against calling gays abnormal may be because of the way that that label has been used as evidence of their sinfulness, immorality, need to be outlawed, etc.

To me, the stronger attack on homophobic arguments which rely on calling homosexuals abnormal simply denies that normality has anything to do with ethics. In that argument I believe we have all sorts of precedent on our side. One such fact that I particularly like is that only about 10% of people are left-handed. That makes them just as abnormal as homosexuals.

Drawing such parallels seems to me a better strategy than getting tied up in linguistic knots over whether or not homosexuality is abnormal. We can happily grant that it is without allowing the conclusions homophobes try to draw from that fact.

 
helpme
Jan 16, 2009
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DRATS! I tried to post a response but, when I hit the post button it all went away.

 
reezer
Jul 04, 2009
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From a purely biological standpoint, it's abnormal.

Which is not the same as "wrong", IMHO.

 
wwwdontpushmenet
Jul 07, 2009
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i'm not represented by anyone!!!!

 
wwwdontpushmenet
Jul 07, 2009
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i wouldnt use the word abnormal and honestly i dont know what word to use! people maybe! i dont categorize anyone! granted i dont think what homosexuals do but i would never deny that person just because of what they believe in and anyone who does and calls themselves of God needs to take a second look at the bible!

 


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