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Remove "in God We Trust" from currency, courts & other governmental institutions?
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jonjax71
Dec 13, 2008
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Yes, it only became the US motto in the 1950s


orbistertius
Dec 13, 2008
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Rebuttal to: ranger65 Show

"One thing we should be aware of is the Islamic countries believe America is morally bankrupt and by removing these religious landmarks may send a more definitive answer to them that we are becoming a "Godless" country and increase their "convert or die" agenda that is their world wide mission."

I'll pass on your assumption that "the Islamic countries" all want Americans to "convert or die" for the moment.

You think they would be happy if we are Christian, but unhappy if we are Atheists? Isn't the point of that branch of Islamic Fundamentalism that we should all be Muslim, not merely religious?

Further, wouldn't giving in on this issue, simply because of what our enemies think of us, be appeasement to the exact same extent that giving in to them on other issues for the same reason would be? That is, if we shouldn't do something that would further incite them, and if they cite our presence in Iraq as one of their grievances, then shouldn't we get out of Iraq? Or does that logic only work when their agenda aligns with yours?

As for my own position, I say get rid of it. It sends a false message: I don't trust in any god. I don't distrust either, I simply don't think about it because I don't believe in one. Others in our country feel the same way. The "we" in the statement therefore can't mean every US citizen, but only some subset. I don't think that is a good precedent to set. Honestly, I don't think its much of an issue, but I figured I should address the topic.

 
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No, it a motto we all should live by


splanky
Dec 13, 2008
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You actually think that's a good use of taxpayer money? I don't see a point in making a change from an economic standpoint.

Your assertion is complex and difficult to address. You somehow manage to link a motto to both Islamic militants, and the perceived moral bankruptcy of America.

For people who are Christians, it's important for us to act like Christians with or without the stupid motto on the money. I imagine some Christian appreciate the motto on the money, I however could live without it.

As for Islamic militants, they will continue their agenda no matter what we do with our money.

The motto also applies to Muslims as well as Jews, not just to Christians. I don't see how the motto conflicts with separation of Church and State asserting that the State is not atheist. I think the motto should stand--even though many atheists may be irritated by it. The US government seemingly recognizes a supreme being.






 
jonjax71
Dec 15, 2008
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Imagine walking to the edge of a cliff, do you put your trust in God that he'll save if you jump or in your own logic that you will perish. I opt for the latter, I don't trust in any god, I trust my intellegence and reasoning abilities.

 


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