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The Queen should be overthrown and her powers taken away from her.
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george424
Dec 07, 2008
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thoughtprocess
Dec 07, 2008
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Of course the queen should be stripped of her powers. It's just a sign of the all pervasive insanity in so called civilized society that every person isn't outraged by the concept of royalty.

 
thoughtprocess
Dec 07, 2008
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Also I couldn't help but add that I am interested in issues even though they don't necessarily affect me directly because I personally feel that something unjust done to one is unjust for us all. I feel passionately about many issues that would seem to have nothing to do with me such as the Israeli/Palestinian conflict, actions by the IMF and World Bank in developing countries and myriad other issues strictly because I am interested in people.

 
jonjax71
Dec 07, 2008
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I despise royalty and monarchies so I am in favor of a legal dissolution of all kings, queens and monarchies. In the case of the UK, it's been obvious that for a long time the queenie is just a symbol, a leftover antiquated icon of "merry olde England"

 
thoughtprocess
Dec 07, 2008
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That's not the issue Frankie, at least not to me. I would guess most people don't pay much mind to the Queen because she is just a figurehead. In my opinion like I stated earlier it is insane in and of itself to hold people in such high esteem strictly because of their ancestry. And if she does take up tax payer money in any way whatsoever the fact that she does NOTHING for anyone in that country except for sit around and flaunt tradition is a crime in my opinion. If people choose not to pay attention to her fine, but to me it is insane to support the right of "royalty" to hold an unearned position in any government. I choose to do my best to view people as people and not judge them based on artificial indicators such as wealth, power or ancestry. The fact that so many people are hypnotized by that sort of thing is a sign as to why peoples priorities are so out of wack.

 
george424
Dec 07, 2008
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She is no different to one of the public, and she has no right to spend taxpayers money and be in power when she hasn't even been chosen by the people

 
frankiej4189
Dec 07, 2008
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Do you (or the British populous) personally feel like less of a human being because there is a leader of your country? Tell me the oppressive things the Queen has done? Tell me how "royalty" has personally changed your life or the lives of the British people in a negative way.

 
brivapor
Dec 07, 2008
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Royalty is one of the coolest institutions in all of humanity.
As the governments change like fashions, the royal blood line is still here 1000 years later
Get rid of that, and you have nothing
just kidding, but dont get rid of the royalty
The Danes have the oldest bloodline in all of Europe
Old Blue Tooth's blood line(actually it was BlueTooths dad who started it, forget his name though) I think the British Royal Blood line has some of old Blue Tooths blood running through them
Vikings to the End

 
frankiej4189
Dec 07, 2008
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Are you a citizen of the United Kingdom?

 

Dec 07, 2008
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hold on the Queen doesn't have much if any powers whatsoever, she has a seat on parliment thats all....

 
thoughtprocess
Dec 07, 2008
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Are you? And what does it have to with anything? This is a website made for debating. I'm interested in the topic so I responded.

 
frankiej4189
Dec 07, 2008
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Because if you don't live in the UK and don't personally feel the affects, whether they be positive or negative, then how do you

I just find it interesting that someone who doesn't live in the UK can be so passionate about a concept that has relatively no positive or negative effects on them. Furthermore, how can you be passionate about something that you don't deal with on a daily level? Basically, opinions and ignorance don't mesh well together.

*I mean that in the nicest way possible.

 
thoughtprocess
Dec 07, 2008
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So passionate? I don't really think I've been arguing passionately just stating my opinion. And going by your logic no one should concern themselves with anything unless it immediately concerns or directly affects them. So why did state your opinion on the matter? Instead of wondering so much about why I am stating an opinion on this matter why not just argue your point. Again I'll state my opinion. Is there any reason in this day and age for a democratic country to still have a monarch? The burden of proof doesn't seem to lie with people who oppose the idea it lies with those who think it's ok. Besides the fact that it's not necessarily hurting anyone ostensibly why is the claim to royalty valid or justified and why should it in any way be tied to the state even ceremonially?

 
brivapor
Dec 07, 2008
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why do you despise them, its not like any of the european royalties do anything except make public appearances and kind of represent the high culture of their country, plus their families are rooted in the distant past of said country, you cant beet that with all the new money in the world

why so hatefull?

 
jonjax71
Dec 07, 2008
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I'm not hata of people, but I do despise the institution of monarchy and so-called royalty. By the way, beet is a vegetable.

 
unlabled00
Dec 07, 2008
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The only power the Queen has is to identify herself on the face of coins and other units of currency in her country and many of its former colonies... she sits opposite a bunch of ducks, polar bears, beavers, and moose here.

 

Dec 07, 2008
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my least favorite game pice and one I hardly use...she isn't that important in chess, the rook and the bishop and knight are the key to any chess game and pawns are essential

 
frankiej4189
Dec 07, 2008
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What has the Queen done, or better yet how are the British people worse off under the Queen?

 
vancam
Dec 08, 2008
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It's a small world...sorry but you are mistaken.

I happen to be from Sheffield in Yorkshire and I can tell you for a fact that Sheffield is one of the most liberal left leaning cities in the UK (thanks to Maggie Thatchers destruction of the families from the region) and is consequently a hotbed of anti-loyalism.

it's the rich southerners that support the royal family, the further north you go the less support you see as a general rule.

 
vancam
Dec 08, 2008
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Just to clarify, in the UK the right wing are (in general) considered to be loyal to the crown and the left wing anti-loyalist.

And as usual I am somewhere in between the two as I see the financial benefit of having a Royal family (tourism) and the good charity work they do but, I also see them as a representation of an Imperial power that has caused damage throughout the worl that we are still reeling from to this day.

 
george424
Dec 08, 2008
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I am English and live in the UK.

Now, someone said the queen had little power.

Well, she can block, pass or create any law, whether it be racist, sexist or idiotic in any way.

Now there is power for you!

I also feel that the leader of our country should be chosen by the people for the people, not by birth!

And, the queen's riches could be spent on worthwhile things, such as homeless shelters or as the public always like to moan about it, reducing taxes!

 
george424
Dec 08, 2008
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I am British and proud!

But NOT because of the Queen.

And I don't feel that we are any better off with her.

And I don't feel she is part of my 'cultural identity' as you call it.

What I do, how I act and what I am is my identity, not a woman who has been born into power, wealth and having to do little for the rest of her life!



 
luca123
Jan 07, 2009
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There is no point for monarchy in this age becuse we have goverment and she is not needed.

 
Jinksey Cat
Sep 25, 2013
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It does annoy me when people talk crap. I have done loads of research about the royal family and the queen. Read up before you make judgement. The queen is head of state she can seize any pierce of land she wishes. The government act on her behalf. The PM has to ask the queen to form a government in her name. So think before u open your mouth on a subject you know nothing about. Her majesty brings in thousands of pounds to the country. The armed forces fight for Queen n country not for government and country.

 
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cynicalcitizen
Dec 09, 2008
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The Queen actually EARNS money for the UK. The tourist income from people coming to see her far exeeds the cost of keeping her in the palace.

 
dutchessofwrath
Dec 09, 2008
1 convinced
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the "Queen" is just a figurehead. She is baisically a mascot, and holds no power. Parlament does. She and her familly represent british heritage, and as long as she isn't seting a bad example, why kick her off?

 
teachme
Dec 08, 2008
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Upon principle, and as an outsider...I do agree with you, Thoughtprocess...

However, my mother happens to be straight from Sheffield, Yorkshire...and I can tell you that the Queen is the apple in every Brit's eye...and the institution of monarchy, as a whole, is in their heart of hearts.

Take away the monarchy, and you will have taken away a HUGE part of their cultural identity...the grace and beauty of their English pride. Regardless of how we feel...that has to count for something.

 
teachme
Dec 11, 2008
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Good point, Dutchess...and I've been wondering...if it's just a matter of "silly tradition," why haven't there been any complaints or debates about the kings of the world?

It's funny...but somehow, I can't imagine this debate as the following: "The King should be overthrown and his powers taken away from him."

I also have to wonder why this debate wasn't worded in a more general fashion..."The Kings and Queens should be overthrown..."

I dare say, if Queen Elizabeth was a male (king)...would her "power" or "position" even be questioned?

 


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