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2008 Presidential Elections: Rudy Giuliani vs. Hillary Clinton
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Jan 03, 2007
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Rudy Giuliani would win


Brett Stubbs
Jan 03, 2007
1 convinced
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Why Giuliani could win: A republican who can carry NY State. It's as simple as that. The only republican candidate in my opinion who could carry NY - worth 31 electoral votes.

 
mknorpp
Jan 04, 2007
1 convinced
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Eww - he is so slimy - but Hilary is such a lying power hungry fake. So neither - though I lean towards Rudy.

 
reer
Feb 01, 2007
1 convinced
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8 years as first lady doesn't count as much... she didn't even get elected to first lady... everyone knows she only got that position because of her husband.

 
scorpiel115
Feb 01, 2007
0 convinced
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I voted for h. clinton. but unfortunately it will never happen. Just like there will never be a president who's non-white and female. This country is too conservative/ignorant to vote in anyone outside of its cookie cutter mold. Even when things are wrong like the war, we make it right cuz we're in the middle of it. Equality will never be.

 
alex813
Feb 01, 2007
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Rudy Giuliani has the charisma and ruthless pragmatism that it took to clean up NYC...he will do the same thing with the Presidency. We have seen him in the best of times and in the worst of times, and he has always made us proud. He is the type of leader even those who disagree with him will choose to follow. He will be the best POTUS since Reagan...to put the insincere and frighteningly calculating and choreographed Hillary in the same ring with Giuliani would be foolish on the part of the Dem's.

 
sabrejimmy
Feb 02, 2007
0 convinced
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Hillary is a terrible public speaker and is only poplular because she is coat tailing on her husband's popularity

 
tunedbymatrix
Feb 10, 2007
0 convinced
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If Clinton wins, I am getting the F out of the US. WHO IS WITH ME?

 
new
Mar 09, 2007
0 convinced
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because he is a man

 
camjam73
Apr 02, 2007
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Bill's immoral (to say the least) personal life doesn't necessarily make him a bad president. Same goes for Giuliani.

What I can't stand is a person (i.e. Hillary) who lies (though I could say the same about Bill), " cheats" (Filegate, for one), and makes off-color remarks (Gandhi, 'plantation', anti-Semitic...).

 
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Hillary Clinton would win


Wilbur
Jan 04, 2007
5 convinced
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If Rudy could carry New York, why couldn't Hilary? Both have been elected there? At best, NY is up for grabs between them... I think what you are really saying is, the Republicans might give Rudy the primary nod on the CHANCE that he COULD get NY, not that he could beat Hilary in a one-on-one. That's a different argument altogether. Besides, it's not even clear that Rudy could ever make it through the primaries. I think with a Rudy v. Hilary, you have a fairly centrist Dem who can get the liberal base to get out and vote for her, as garnering votes from the middle; but with Rudy, he may be able to get votes from the middle, but can he get the right Republican base to get out and vote for him? pro-choice/pro-gay marriage? It would be tough. I think this one leans Hilary.

 
drush
Feb 01, 2007
1 convinced
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Rudy violated NY in the years since 9/11. i think Rudy would lose NY these days. but i am a huge liberal and i don't like Hillary at all. I don't think either will win the primaries. both suck.

 
noir
Feb 01, 2007
0 convinced
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I happen to dislike Hillary. She appears cold and impersonal. She is a classic b*tch. But to be honest, I hate Giuliani even more. He's not a star just because he managed to retain a notion of distance during the disaster of 9/11. He didn't do anything special.

 
dunkfu
Feb 01, 2007
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I think Clinton would beat Rudy head to head because of her experience.

Rudy Giuliani
- Mayor of New York City.

Clinton
- 6 years as New York Senator
- 8 years as First Lady of the United States

In my opinion Clinton's experience in government as well as her participation in shaping foreign and domestic policies of the United States in the last 14 years makes here vastly superior to Rudy Giuliani.

 
dpotts
Feb 01, 2007
0 convinced
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Am I the only person that remembers the Giuliani that cheated on his wife and was extremely unpopular? On 9/11 Giuliani did his job, nothing more or less.

 
dunkfu
Feb 01, 2007
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Doesn't matter if she was elected or not, she had 8 years of involvement in the government with a first hand look at the White House and how work gets done there. Add that to her Senate experience and she is far more qualified than Giuliani.

dpotts is right too, Rudy was largely unpopular before 9/11 and I think there are much better Republican candidates than Giuliani.

For that matter I think there is a better candidate that Clinton as well but that's outside this debate.

 
somerandomhobo
Feb 03, 2007
0 convinced
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think of one thing rudy giuliani has ever done

do not mention nine eleven

ten seconds go

didn"t think so

 
jackryan
Feb 03, 2007
0 convinced
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America isn't ready for a guy who is f***ing his cousin. Literally.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/1/21/152545/880

 
mmartinphd
Feb 09, 2007
0 convinced
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Rudy Giuliani is pro-choice and pro-gay. He won't even be able to win the republican nomination, much less the general election. The evangelicals will not allow him to win.

He did his best to tie himself to Bush in 2004 (remember the republican convention?) and now is distancing himself. Republicans say they don't like flip-floppers.

 
jgroat
Feb 10, 2007
0 convinced
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Rebuttal to: scorpiel115 Show

I could not disagree more! The U.S. is closer to a non-white, female, or other non-"cookie cutter" type of president now than at any other time. If we look at the currently announced candidates, we have two minorities and one white male. During our recent mid-term election, the U.S. electorate put the Democrats back in a majority in the Congress and we now have a female Speaker of the House.

 
chief5
Feb 15, 2007
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While I am not a Sen. Clinton fan, when Bill ran he ran on the idea that if you elected him you got two for the price of one.

The first lady is not a official positiion.

 
chief5
Feb 15, 2007
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That is your Constitutional right.

However I do not think I could support a person who is gaining his political power on mistakes he made in NY when he was mayor.

Look at the police and fire department radios before 9/11. Theses two agencys could not even speak to each other.

 
chief5
Feb 20, 2007
0 convinced
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The working men and women do not like him.

Giuliani would not get the support of the police or fireman of Ny.

 
chief5
Feb 20, 2007
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One good thing about the Constitution you can use it to do as you wish.

I don't know if Sen. Clinton can be elected or not. I do know that views such as this are always welcome to leave.

Have a nice trip.

 


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