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Just because someone has passed away, does that make us obligated to only mention positive aspects about that individual's life?
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silver
Aug 11, 2008
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thales
Aug 11, 2008
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The person's dead--what do you hope to accomplish by criticizing him? That's not to say that we should pretend that everyone turns into a saint the minute that they die, but really, what's the point of harping on the bad things? It's too late for him to change.

If you can't speak well of the dead, I don't see any reason to speak of them at all.

 
frankiej4189
Aug 12, 2008
2 convinced
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At the very least, its disrespectful.Try to imagine what Mac's friends and family are going through. Bernie Mac was only 50 years old, thats not a full life lived. He was a good man who left us young, i'm not saying nominate the man for sainthood, i just think that we should be respectful towards good people when they go.

 
sandifromlargo
Aug 12, 2008
2 convinced
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It seems to me (opinion only) that being negative about someone that has dies is disrespectful and hurtful to those that are family and friends of the deceased. Verbal respect and/or non comments about the deceased cost you nothing. If you did not personally know the deceased, you might not care for their opinion, position, or personal contributions to society, then better to remain silent rather than to be labeled disrespectful.
In other words if your mama taught you manners, use them. Everyone will be happy.

 
frankiej4189
Aug 12, 2008
1 convinced
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This entire debate was started because of a rebuttal i made to one of tool's statements. Here is exactly what was said.

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tool081 Aug 11, 2008 11:34 0 convinced
Rebuttal Can't miss anything as i feel he contributed little to nothing of value and in fact
was a candidate for mediocrity and benality.

frankiej4189 Aug 11, 2008 12:44 1 convinced
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Kinder words have never been spoken about the departed before.
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That's it. Nothing more, nothing less. I didnt attempt to crucify tool or anyone who speaks ill of the dead, i didnt try to paint tool to be an evil and emotionless person, i just think that atleast for the time being (it has only been a couple of days after Mac's death) a little respect can be shown for a good man before we start rattling off his faults and failures. There is nothing wrong with that.

 
tool081
Aug 12, 2008
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I find it very odd that you encourage everyone to speak only kindly for a time period, I would enjoy hearing how much of a grace period you feel is neccesary as it seems quite ridiculous to me. If I loathed someone in life their death shouldn't serve as some 2 week free ticket of compliments. continuing the opinion you always held for the person makes it so you do not appear like some hypocritical moron.

 
lithium
Aug 13, 2008
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Thank you thales, its kind to know that atleast a couple people have basic levels of kindness and sensitivity towards others feelings.

 
tool081
Aug 14, 2008
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Negativity is based off of an opinion and i personally feel he affected the world in a negative way. Not neccesarily in his actions but in his complicitness with mediocrity. As for not wanting to offend his family, if they are scouring around the internet right now searching for inflammatory remarks about him then perhaps it is them we should be worried about.

 
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lithium
Aug 12, 2008
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There is a saying that an old friend told me. "If it aint somethin you'd tell to his mama, you best not be sayin it for 2 weeks after they're dead".

A person's death does not in anyway excuse them from what they did while living. But if a person lived a relatively good life, why say bad things right away? You dont really get anything from it, you're probably not saying anything that people dont already know. Think about it this way..if someone you loved just passed, would you want to hear people say bad things about them? Especially when it has only been what? About 3-4 days after Mac died?

 
thales
Aug 12, 2008
2 convinced
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They're not getting a "free ticket." THEY'RE DEAD.

No one's saying you have to shower them with praise; they're saying keep it to yourself so as not to sound brutally insensitive.

 
juggernaut
Aug 11, 2008
1 convinced
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No, not all all.

I'll be the first person at my father's funeral, giving everyone a rough estimate on how many people he has stabbed in the back.

As for Bernie Mac, he was a nobody to me at life. His death shouldn't matter to me, at all.

 
nipjara
Aug 11, 2008
1 convinced
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Only being slightly contrarian here...

There's nothing that says that you have to pretend that everyone who has ever died was a saint. But it is hitting below the belt to badmouth someone subjectively when they aren't in a position to defend themselves (whether they've died or not) and downright cowardly to level new and unproven charges against them.

Bringing up the bad with the good should be done more often, IMHO. But it's another thing entirely to effectively slander the dead.

Note that one of the charges that FBI is currently facing is that they're making Bruce Ivins out to be much worse than he was, now that his suicide means that they won't have to make their case in court.

 
lithium
Aug 13, 2008
1 convinced
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Well to be fair, it was my friend technically putting a time period on respect. Not i did not say, nor will i say that if a bad person passes they should be given this grace period. If they lived a bad life and left severe negative footprints on this earth then have at them. But if they were good people, show some respect and hold your tongue for a while, think of the family members.

 
jonjax71
Aug 11, 2008
0 convinced
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Me personally, if I criticisize someone in life, I will surely continue to do the same after she/he passes, the reverse is true as well.

Specifically though, I wasn't much of a fan of Bernie Mac, but he did give back some and never forgot his humble beginnings

 
cheerleader4life
Aug 11, 2008
0 convinced
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as jonjax has said, just because a person has died makes no difference whether or not your going to stop talking sh*t about them or not. personally once you start talking sh*t about someone you don't stop whether if they die or not.

 
tool081
Aug 11, 2008
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I posted a none to flattering opinion of Bernie Mac and stand by it. To crucify someone for giving an honest opinion on something is obscene. Bernie mac had his fans like anybody but to sit there and pretend he invented the wheel is just insulting.

 
silver
Aug 11, 2008
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Yea, I honestly have to agree. What really seems to bug me is the fact that once someone has died people expect you to treat that person as if they were some kind of saint (like stated above). But I see no reason why I shouldn't be able to exploit the faults of that individual without fear of being labeled some kind of sicko or otherwise cruel and evil person. That's as if they were truly trying to coceil the truth from everyone what really happened. I mean if an impending life depended on the bare truth of the matter, wouldn't you go to the length of revealing the evils that the person dude for the sake of saving a life, rather than keeping their former image spotless?

 
silver
Aug 12, 2008
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Haha....well no, I didn't base this entire debate upon exactly what I had read on the Bernie Mac debate. But yeah, you get the idea. Just know it doesn't stem from what the responses were, but rather the idea came to me in addition to what I was reading.

 
silver
Aug 12, 2008
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But that's just it....do we have an obligation to be respectful when someone dies? Or should we be able to say anything without fear of being labeled as some kind of selfish jerk?

 
tool081
Aug 12, 2008
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Im sorry if there was a misunderstanding, I didn't feel you were the one who was crucifying me i had been slandered on a seperate website and merely felt you shared their views.

 


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