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China will replace the US as the world superpower.
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braincube
Jul 31, 2008
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braincube
Jul 31, 2008
3 convinced
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China has the most money.

the US now has the most debt,

the US owes most of their money to china.

the Chinese are banning imports making our trade deficit to them absolute; we are being drained like vampires.

Our war (for oil) in Iraq is being funded by the Chinese. Even if we do make a profit it will immediately go towards the Chinese.

China has surpassed the US in manufacturing. China still has a very large contingent of poor villagers who speak the language, have impeccable work ethics, and are willing to work for nex to nothing.

China's industries enjoy a far greater degree of deregulation; they are free to destroy the environment and treat their worker like slaves for the sake of profit.

Companies like zongshen are actively making perfect reproductions of patented American goods like Harley Davidsons. We can no longer keep control of our intellectual property rights.

Chinese foreign business practices do not receive the same moral scrutiny as do our international corporations; Chinese companies are free to bribe, extort, and fund local militias to force policies abroad.

china has the upper hand
economically
influentially via their increasing economic powers
militarily, by funding foreign armies (like the US army)
more of a bully (because they don't have a bill of rights)



 
braincube
Aug 01, 2008
1 convinced
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Rebuttal to: themind Show

All of these criticisms of china's socioeconomic infrastructure were prevalent in the united states preceding our rise as a global superpower.

It was our vast workforce, American dirt farmers, poor immigrants, and imported slaves, that allowed the US to become a manufacturing giant.

Ignoring human rights and international scrutiny is the whole point of being a superpower. You profit from plundering the world and make enough money to whisk the criticisms away with good old PR. Just look at the US's involvement in South America, Africa, Vietnam, Iraq, Cambodia, the Philippines, East Timur, etc.

China is actively becoming self sufficient.

As for Hollywood... AOL Time Warner. Going once. Going twice. SOLD!

We don't have to like China.
We just have to like their money.

 
unlabled00
Aug 01, 2008
1 convinced
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Rebuttal to: hottubwille Show

The US couldn't run without China either so it looks like theres a bit of a problem.

Multitrillion dollar debts are so inconvenient.

 
romaro
Jul 31, 2008
0 convinced
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China has the most people, they are so advance in technology

 
braincube
Aug 02, 2008
0 convinced
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Even the most hostile nations are assuaged by PR and trade deals.

I think that the rest of the world is well on its way to accepting a Chinese presence on the world stage. Ever since Regan established trade relations western leaders have begun to turn a blind eye to china's human rights abuses. Nobody threatened sanctions over Tiananmen square, or the occupation of Tibet. China's human rights abuses in Africa are considered and economic issue, not a moral one. American companies carry reassurances that all their factories adhere to strict and humane labor laws. None of the major industrialized powers have refused to participate at the Beijing Olympics. China has even released many of the Lhasa protesters to quell international scrutiny.

Finally, China does not need to assume a position of outward dominance, they have America to do that. They are funding our little war, after all. All they need is for the UN to kindly look the other way.

 
kangarooman
Aug 03, 2008
0 convinced
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The deciding factor will likely be a war, as was the rise and fall of other superpowers, and so I present to you this one quote by Marcus Tullius Cicero.

"The sinews of war are infinite money."

China's budget has $20 billion more revenue than expenditures. The US spends $200 billion more than it gains. Check the CIA Factbook. The US's debt of $12 trillion is 36 times as great as China's. Let's not even mention the population. Need I say more?

 
braincube
Aug 03, 2008
0 convinced
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Rebuttal to: hottubwille Show

How much have we copied from Brittan?

 
unlabled00
Aug 03, 2008
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Rebuttal to: hottubwille Show

But who's the dog and who's the tick? : ]

 
unlabled00
Aug 04, 2008
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Rebuttal to: hottubwille Show

OR what happens when the tick becomes bigger than the dog :P

 
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jonjax71
Jul 31, 2008
1 convinced
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Economically?
Mightier military?
More influential?
More of a bully?
How??

 

Jul 31, 2008
0 convinced
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Ok China? seriously people....China is getting most of its "wealth" from our industry over there. Its soo much cheaper to build over there and have industries. Our Military is stronger then theirs...and besides the majority of china is poor villages not big industrialized cities such as the US..so US beats China

 
apathetic
Jul 31, 2008
0 convinced
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That assumes there is going to be a "the world superpower."

I'm not convinced.

 
themind
Aug 01, 2008
0 convinced
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I do not see the US falling from Superpower status any time soon, for several reasons, and for the topic to be fulfilled, China must be 'The World Superpower,' not "one of..." many, but THE.

The US has control of the global (non-sports) entertainment industry. Sure, there's Baliwood and a few other producers of films, but by and large the entertainment, be it television or film, comes from the States.

The US has an large, fully industrialized population. China, as lonewolf correctly points out, is way behind the US in the total package selection. Sure, they have lots of people, but most are in abject poverty (far worse than the State's watered down version of poverty).

The very fact that China's manufacturing force is willing to be unscrupulous, steal ideas, work their people to death and still not have to be scrutinized by the world shows that they cannot become THE world power. The world is generally pissed off at China. I don't think that the progressive thinkers in the world will sit back and let China take over and destroy everything they have worked for.

Human rights.

Their economy is not self-sufficient. It is tied so heavily to the US economy that for them to take over as Superpower is to commit financial suicide.

China would be stupid to become The world Superpower. They would no longer be able to do all the bad stuff in the dark. Everything they do would have the spotlight shined on it, and the world as a whole would not be OK with what's going down, whereas now, the world is like "Silly China, you developing nation... you should probably get your act together". If they became THE power, the world would unify against them, diplomatically and economically.

 
hottubwille
Aug 01, 2008
0 convinced
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In my mind, a superpower can stand on their own - economically, military, intellectually, without foriegn support. Then, once established as a superpower a country can foray into the world at large pushing their weight around.

China fails on this test because without the US feeding their economic engine they would return back to being a nation of a lot of small villages where the vast majority of the population lives and a few big cities. Most villages are indepenently managed and can sustain themselves as an island. China in reality is not a very united country like the US.

Strong world player in the economy - Yes! Awesome capability to amass huge armies - Yes (especially for defense)!

Ability to act as a unified superpower without the US fueling the fire - NO!

 
omega1
Aug 01, 2008
0 convinced
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Communism will be their downfall.

 
themind
Aug 01, 2008
0 convinced
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Rebuttal to: braincube Show

Excellent arguments!!

I must point out, however that times have changed. We do not live in the pre-industrial world. We live in the world dominated by whiny mamby-pambys who insist that you have 'acceptable working conditions' or they get all upset, and may even boycott. I think if China wants to become a world power, they at least have to pretend that they care about civil liberties and human rights.

My argument is not that they wouldn't do well as a superpower, but that the world would not allow the Red Dragon to assume a position of (outward) dominance on the world stage. Too many Liberal thinking nations to keep them in check.

 
hottubwille
Aug 03, 2008
0 convinced
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Rebuttal to: unlabled00 Show

Right on, but it doesn't make them a super power.

Just because a tick hitches a ride on a dog doesn't mean it too is a canine.

 
zombieslayer1
Aug 03, 2008
0 convinced
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The US might have its problems but in reality China has way more (communism) and in the long run will never prosper as we do.

 
hottubwille
Aug 04, 2008
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Ah - when the tick is bigger then the dog then the dog is dead, all the life blood has been suck out of him. Is this why we here in the USA are feeling a little anemic lately? ;D

 


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