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Does a supernatural force exist?
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postfloyd
May 21, 2008
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Yes. A supernatural force exists.


hollowedangel
May 22, 2008
0 convinced
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Yes sir, that would be me

 
xanthippa
May 22, 2008
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Rebuttal to: helpme Show

If such a force were natural - it would not be 'God', by definition! God is - if I understand the Christian concept here correctly - above nature, because He created nature.

Therefore, he is supernatural...

 
josephtsui
Jul 08, 2008
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I think in some ways supernatural force does exist. I am a Christian, and I am think supernatural force is a "tool" or method for God to establish his plans and fulfill his will on the Earth, a natural world.
About the comment suggesting nothing exist without interaction, and so supernatural force could not exist in natural world. This is difficult to be argued by different religions views, I personally think God is all- powerful and nothing he cannot do, not to mention the natural rules established by himself.

 
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No. A supernatural force does not exist.


jonjax71
May 21, 2008
4 convinced
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There are forces and effects of forces we yet don't understand or even yet percieve, but they are not supernatural, we are just ignorant about how they function or exist

 
postfloyd
May 21, 2008
2 convinced
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Supernatural = "not natural"

Natural = "That which just exists and can be noticed by humans."

It stands to reason that if supernatural is "not natural" and that the natural world covers the entire universe, then a supernatural force would have to be outside the universe for it to exist.

If we find any natural evidence pointing to a supernatural force, that force can not be supernatural because it has been revealed by the natural world and natural laws.

So, given this, any affirmation of a supernatural force can not ever be proven, as it would be outside the natural world. Any interaction between the natural world and this so-called "supernatural world" would instantly make the supernatural world, de facto "natural".

We percieve things that exist by interacting with them. Without interaction, there is no way to know if something exists. One can even go so far to say that without interaction, there IS NO existence.

So, if we can not interact with a supernatural force, and interaction is key to knowledge of it's existence, a supernatural force can not exist.

 
helpme
May 22, 2008
2 convinced
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JonJax- So God could easily fit your description. Maybe people who do not believe, do not perceive nor understand a natural God.

 
kdascher
May 28, 2008
1 convinced
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Rebuttal to: xanthippa Show

Well that depends entirely on how you define "God". Who's to say helpme is defining God in the Christian sense? Perhaps he might be doing so, but I suppose it would also be possible to define the entirety of the universe and its functions as 'God'. Since the universe is natural, then it's possible for something called God to be natural, rather than supernatural.

 


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