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Is the CIA as easy to trick as the British guys say?
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British spies say CIA was hoodwinked by Teheran
Last week, CIA published a report that Iran has 'mothballed' its nuclear program........but British intelligence services think this was planted misinformation and that CIA was easily tricked.

This is the Brit POV....
xanthippa
Dec 11, 2007
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CIA tricked? You don't say......


Brett Stubbs
Dec 11, 2007
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This is ironic....extremely ironic.

Let's go back 50 plus years. The year is 1951. After ousting the Shah, Iran has it's first democracy led by Dr. Mohammed Mosaddeq. Democracy in the Middle East, it's what we want right?

Let's go a little further back in history. The british, before Mosaddeq, namely, BP, controlled Iran's oil. It was and still is a gold mine. After Mossaddeq took control, he nationalized Iranian oil, booted out BP and declared the UK an enemy of Iran. The British weren't too happy with this decision.

This led to false intellegence from...the UK, who tricked the CIA into believing that Mosaddeq was leaning towards communism, and was making friends with the soviets. Nothing they had proof of, but it's the UK, so we took their word.

Operation Ajax was created, and in 1953 after the CIA staged a Coup, Mossadeq was booted out of office, General Zahedi took control, and eventually the son of the Shah took control, all of which led to the revolution of 1979.

So do we trust our own intelligence, our can we trust British intelligence when it comes to Iran? We've already been burned once.

 
vancam
Dec 11, 2007
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Who on this site is reading the Telegraph? It's the newspaper equivelant of Foxs News in America!

As it happens I think the US and UK secret services are clearly suffering in the current climate compared to the Cold War. They both seem to make plently of mistakes and worse still they seem to ignore intelligence in favour of political will i.e. the Iraq dossier that lead to war.

 
xanthippa
Dec 11, 2007
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Rebuttal to: vancam Show

Thought you'd LOVE that one! ;0)

 
xanthippa
Dec 11, 2007
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Rebuttal to: Brett Stubbs Show

TRUST? Intelligence?

Please......

Listen to the people and what THEY are saying, not to the gossip our/theirs/whatever 'leaders' are being fed to stoke their political futures.

 
vancam
Dec 11, 2007
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Just so you know, I find the Uk government and it's current foreign policy just as disgracful as the US. For two countries with so much power to so badly abuse the people of this world is revolting.

 
vancam
Dec 11, 2007
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More than twice. It's practically tradition. However I think recently Mi6 and the CIA might aswell be treated as one and the same thing. Britain is pretty much the 51st (how many is there now?) state.

 
xanthippa
Dec 11, 2007
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Rebuttal to: vancam Show

Sorry, did not mean to offend you or imply you are in any way in with the Brit or US governments!

BUT - the news story is not only there, it is all over.....just thought you'd like a voice from 'back home'.

And, by the way, I was born in a country which had, at one point, been invaded by the American Army. We have been and still are extremely grateful for their scacrifice in coming to our rescue......the only regret is they left too early!

No, I am NOT joking.



 
vancam
Dec 11, 2007
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Rebuttal to: Brett Stubbs Show

Although you are correct and it is an interesting point i can't help but mention that it isn't ironic. Perhaps the irony would be if the CIA had just duped Mi6 or something but not just a repeat of history like the one you have there.

Don't take this the wrong way because I think the post is a valid and very engaging, just not ironic.

Maybe I am wrong, if so.... sorry.

 
vancam
Dec 11, 2007
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I took no offense. I am just aware that my persona on this site sometimes gets dogged by anti-american rhetoric when infact my personal beliefs have a much wider gamat (sp?) of all imperialistic regimes.

What country is it that you are referring to by the way? Was it solely a US mission that took part?

 
Brett Stubbs
Dec 12, 2007
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What I'm saying is ironic, is that a source that should be and has always been trusted traditionally to give us good intelligence, in this case is the exact source that should not be trusted. Which is a little ironic, before I told the story. But afterwards it is expected, but to those who didn't know this particular situation beforehand, it could be ironic.

 
xanthippa
Dec 12, 2007
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No, it was not a US mission only.

Sorry, more info may id me too much.

 
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