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Christianity, Judaism and Islam are all totally false
Religion

booyakasha
Nov 20, 2007
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booyakasha
Nov 20, 2007
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It's all or none folks. These three religions are pretty much the same and borrow from each other. The tennets of all three faiths are absolutely ignorant and are the most poisonous ideas in the history of civilization.

 
vancam
Nov 20, 2007
2 convinced
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Religion... isn't that what we had before tv?

 
booyakasha
Nov 20, 2007
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Easy for you to say. You fortuneately live in a (relatively) secular society. I unfortuneately live in a Christian fortress. Although I must say I feel better in a Christian fortress as oppose to a Muslim or even Jewish one.

 
booyakasha
Nov 20, 2007
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Rebuttal to: vancam Show

One of the best books I've read to date about religion and society is Chris Hitchens' (a British-born US citizen) "God Is Not Great." A must-read for the fervent non-believers. Then you have the great Richard Dawkins' "The God Delusion." After that comes the American Sam Harris' "The End of Faith" or for Americans, "Letter to a Christian Nation." After reading these books I don't see how any logical, rational human being can still believe the basic tennets of the great monotheistic religions. I just can't fathom it.

 
vancam
Nov 21, 2007
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I've read both God is Not Great and The God delussion (strangely enough they were rather dogmatically sent to me by my parents hahaha).

Regardless, can we stop treating this religion twaddle with any reverence and get back to being the smartest monkeys on the planet.

 
vancam
Nov 21, 2007
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If you mean Britain I actually don't live there right now. I have lived in LA for the past three years but plan to return back to my none lunatic asylum country in March (for a little rest).

 
vancam
Nov 21, 2007
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That's all fine, but since no one is proving it either way right now perhaps we could focus our time and effort on other matters like starving people and non-proliferation.

After all it would be a shame if we all met up in heavne on the exact same day only to realise it is real but it's not quite as much fun as earth could have been if we had all stopped killing each other.

 
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helpme
Nov 21, 2007
2 convinced
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Rebuttal to: booyakasha Show

While these three have similiar words,names, and stories, they are very different.

 
juggernaut
Nov 21, 2007
1 convinced
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Even though scientists look down upon religion, they have yet to find 100% evidence. Even if they did, some people will be skeptical. Even if God came down the Earth right now and gave himself up, some people will be skeptical.

Just because you believe something, doesn't mean it's true or false. Just because 99% of the population believes something, doesn't mean it's true or false. It just means that they were convinced.

 
asimpleman
Nov 21, 2007
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Rebuttal to: booyakasha Show

To claim that these three religions are "pretty much the same" displays a great amount of ignorance about the religions. While they develop from some some of the same roots, they each are quite distinctive and, in some cases, absolutely opposed to one another.

All three are different in their conception of God. All three are different in their understanding of how a person relates to God. All three are different in regards to the means of salvation (even the meaning of salvation). All three are different in the meaning and purpose of Messiah. The list goes on and on.

It may be difficult to argue that the "faiths are absolutely ignorant" when your argument itself displays some ignorance of the religions themselves.

 
asimpleman
Nov 21, 2007
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I hope that you've read some books that defend the rationality of religion to balance those out. Some very prominent and intelligent people have written about religion in a positive, logical way. Plantinga comes to mind, but I'm sure you could find others.

 
xanthippa
Nov 21, 2007
1 convinced
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While there are some very definite - and well defined - differences between Christianity, Islam and Judaism, they share common roots and contain some of the same, very successful memes. This does not speak to the veracity of ignorance of any of these religions - it is a simple statement of fact. (By 'successful', I mean 'able to self-propagate among other, competing memes'.)

However, there is something that these 3 religions have in common that is rather unique and unusual: they are all forms of MONOTHEISM - and they all have their roots in the ancient Egyptian pro-genitor of monotheism, sun-worship. Though this aspect is most prominent in Christianity, it is nonetheless an underlying component of all three. And, according to Scott Adams (perhaps not a widely recognized authority on religion as such, but he should be - and has been shown to be successful at comprehending the human condition...), the 'specialness' factor that all forms of monotheism (necessarily 'exclusive' - core definition of the term) confer upon its adherents...therein lies their allure, power AND militancy....

There is a definite distinction between Judaism and the other two faiths: Judaism does not contain any concept of 'immortality, 'soul' - with some minor exceptions (sects like the Essennes, which had been influenced by what are essentially Indian teachings, and according to much evidence, it was from Essenne teachings that Christianity arose). Christianity and Islam are much more closely related (memtically). Perhaps that is why Judaism is the only one of the three that is not actively pursuing new converts: the 'blood heredity' is the 'specialness' factor in Judaism. These are extremely important distinctions which set Judaism quite apart from the other two.

What is more, it is a somewhat unique POV even among the sun-religions, to be as strongly dualistic as both Christianity and Islam are.

If we want to understand why these religions are as popular as they are, we need to examine why the memes contained within them are so successful. Perhaps we need to examine the 'Cargo Cults' of the Pacific, and what they tell us.

The adherents of 'John Frum' say they have learned a lot from the attitude Christians have toward Jesus. Should the Christians learn from the adherents of John Frum something about their own attitude towards Jesus?

 
emeraldstone
Nov 26, 2007
1 convinced
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Of course, some people believe that all religions are a path to god. I'm slightly prone to this, as most religions establish good deeds and happiness. However, these religions are all subtly different so...

 
helpme
Nov 21, 2007
0 convinced
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Wow, you are a great follower of man.

 
asimpleman
Nov 21, 2007
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To claim that these three religions are "pretty much the same,"
displays a great amount of ignorance about the religions. While
they develop from some of the same roots, they each are
quite distinctive and, in some cases, absolutely opposed to one
another.

All three are different in their conception of God. All three
are different in their understanding of how a person relates to
God. All three are different in regards to the means of
salvation (even the meaning of salvation). All three are
different in the meaning and purpose of Messiah. The list goes
on and on.

It may be difficult to argue that the "faiths are absolutely
ignorant" when your argument itself displays some ignorance of
the religions themselves.

 
asimpleman
Nov 21, 2007
0 convinced
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Rebuttal to: booyakasha Show

To claim that these three religions are "pretty much the same,"
displays a great amount of ignorance about the religions. While
they develop from some of the same roots, they each are
quite distinctive and, in some cases, absolutely opposed to one
another.

All three are different in their conception of God. All three
are different in their understanding of how a person relates to
God. All three are different in regards to the means of
salvation (even the meaning of salvation). All three are
different in the meaning and purpose of Messiah. The list goes
on and on.

It may be difficult to argue that the "faiths are absolutely
ignorant" when your argument itself displays some ignorance of
the religions themselves.

 
juggernaut
Nov 21, 2007
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Rebuttal to: vancam Show

Exactly.

 
redstater94
Nov 21, 2007
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For the record, Christianity has 2.1 billion followers (most popular section is Protestantism with 27% of Christians with 590 million people), Islam has 1.5 billion and Judaism has 14 million. This rounds out to 3,614,000 followers of all three or about 54.22% of the world. Obviously, there has to be a difference where Christians get one third of the world and Judaism with 14 million people.

 
brivapor
Nov 21, 2007
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probabli more like folk tales that had actual events but over the years got all blown out of proportion and somebody put it all down and said it was gods word

 
booyakasha
Nov 21, 2007
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You're wrong. They all copied scripture and ideas about the nature of god and religion.

 
booyakasha
Nov 22, 2007
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No, religion is ignorance. Almost by definition.

 
thewhitedwarf
Nov 22, 2007
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That is pretty inflammatory remarks on arguably the three most believed in faiths.

Anyway, the key thing about faith in these religions is that even if the story lines of the books are "false (even though there is no legitamite way to tell)", they still present important ethical standards on how to be a better person.

Religion, not counting the facists of each who bastardize what it really means to believe in these faiths, teaches that you have to be accountable in this life in order to have a good one in the next. This is of course the reason that these religions have codes and such on how to act.

Still, we are envoking a Western idea of "true and false" thinking that was radically different from what these religions were founded on. Clearly, 2000 years ago people thought a lot different and for them what was true was completely different than what we consider to be true.

But, I've maintain the stance that things in ethics and religion can't be proven under the usual use of proving. To prove something in ethics isn't to set up evidence for because there isn't really evidence at all to prove those things but rather to envoke the best arguments for. And saying that, I think the generally consistent religious argument that we should be accountable for what we do is legitamite "proof" of religion in a certain sense.

 
thewhitedwarf
Nov 22, 2007
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Sorry, my comment wasn't meant for you but the guy at the top. My bad.

 
thewhitedwarf
Nov 22, 2007
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No, you need to respond to the arguments before you can reach a conclusion.

 
vancam
Nov 22, 2007
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You are quickly becoming one of my favourite debaters...

 
xanthippa
Nov 22, 2007
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'Ignorance' means 'being uninformed'. This may be true of some 'people of simple faith'....but is demonstrably not true of all religious peoples. Jesuits, for example, tend to be rather well informed...

While having 'religious faith' means holding strong and unshakable beliefs without 'factual proof', it does not imply that the persons 'of faith' are necessarily 'uninformed' .

 
booyakasha
Nov 22, 2007
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Any human that is capable of studying scientific knowledge and still comes to the conclusion that Christianity, Judaism or Islam is the correct and historically acurate realm of knowledge is ignorant. There's no way around it. Anybody that thinks "intelligent" design and creation makes more sense than evolution is ignorant. Anybody that believes any various holy book to be absolute truth is ignorant. And so on, and so on.

 
booyakasha
Nov 23, 2007
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Yeah, like CS Lewis... Those apologists are so full of crap. They're smart enough to see the falacy in their belief system, so they try to make it sound rational and logical. They're just fooling themselves and nobody else.

 
booyakasha
Nov 23, 2007
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By "followers" do you mean people that believe in a Christian god - among them so-called cafeteria Christians, or do you mean people that actually believe the BS Christianity states. There's a big difference between somebody that goes to church and prays and believes in God and somebody that thinks the world is 6,000 years old and dinosaurs were put here to test our faith.

 
helpme
Nov 27, 2007
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While they may all share some stories and some concepts, the foundations and doctrines of each are very different.

I hope that you do not sincerely think the biggest goal of these three religions are to teach us to treat or neighbors well.

 
poseidon
Nov 27, 2007
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They have the same rules but they are vastly different. Each religion has its own beliefs and its own way of praying. Just because they have some of the same rules doesn't mean they are the same thing

 
poseidon
Nov 27, 2007
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Only two of them copied and one of them is the true religion. Not all three are wrong just two

 
poseidon
Nov 27, 2007
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THEY ARE NOT THE SAME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ALL THREE RELIGIONS HAVE DIFFERENT BELIEFS ABOUT WHAT IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO!!!!!!

AT LEAST READ ONE OF THE THREE HOLY BOOKS!!!!!!!!!



 
poseidon
Nov 27, 2007
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if all three are wrong then what is the right religion.

 
yankeeschica22
May 22, 2008
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HAHA! WAT A DORK! YOU ACTUALLY READ THOSE BOOKS?!

 
sabreen91
Jun 28, 2009
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Actually Muhammad never claimed a religion before he found Islam.

 


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