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Most likely arming insurgency in Iraq:
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supremebeing
Sep 26, 2007
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Victor Bout


supremebeing
Sep 26, 2007
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It appears that Victor Bout specializes in selling weapons in civil war areas and providing weapons to both sides of conflicts.

I don’t see any reason why the Iraqi insurgents would have to go to their enemy Iran to buy weapons when they can get the best deal through an independent arms dealer like Victor Bout. No body has better prices than him, since he deals in such large volume…even the US buys their weapons from him.


 
supremebeing
Sep 26, 2007
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http://www.mensvogue.com/business/blackbook/articles/2007/06/viktor_bout

Sorry, I count the Pentagon and military contractors hired by the United States as being part of the United States…

Victor has been supplying arms to:
Halliburton
KBR
Blackwater
Fed Ex
Hezbollah
Taliban
Pentagon
Several countries in Africa (Sierra Leone, Rwanda, Uganda…)


http://www.globalpolicy.org/intljustice/wanted/boutindex.htm


For all we know the United States IS arming the Insurgents:
- U.S. Government Accountability Office reported the Pentagon lost 30 percent of the weapons it sent to Iraq between 2004 and 2007.
- That's 80,000 pistols and 110,000 AK-47 rifles purchased for Iraq's military and police services gone missing.

So…If a weapon on a dead insurgent can be traced back to one of the pentagons missing weapons, does that mean the US is supplying terrorists with weapons????


 
dirtpatch
Sep 26, 2007
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fed ex was a military contractor, not sure about now.
from 89 to around 92 they had the U.S. military transport contract.

Halliburton and its subsidiary KBR are most certainly military contractors, and in Iraq alone were awarded 21 billion in no-bid contracts, and the state dept. has filed suits against them for over charging the U.S. government.




 
supremebeing
Sep 26, 2007
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I was listing the entities that Victor has been dealing weapons to…I guess I incorrectly made the assumption that people would be able to identify those that are US government (Pentagon) and those that are not (Taliban).

There are numerous accounts and information concerning Victor Bout. I only used Men’s Vogue because I thought it gave a good description of his background…and I thought the fact that he is into fashion hilarious!

If you have ever taken a high school/ college level course I am sure you have more than enough skills to do a little research on your own…unless of course you want me to hold your hand…

And Just for the record…Men’s Vogue is non-fiction, Archie Comics is fiction…but you confusion can be expected seeing as though you were one of the fools that fell for the “Iraq has WMD’s” B.S


 
dirtpatch
Sep 26, 2007
3 convinced
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again, you prove your ignorance, hallibuton through its subsidiary KBR, has contracts with the U.S. military ranging from providing food, water, shelter, laundry service and other logistical support.

Fed ex had the personel transport contract,, they transported the troops during that time period.

You know,, these are things just about any one who reads a paper knows. the fact that you didnt know halliburton was a military contractor tells me all i need to know about you.
and what contract? in one paragraph you say they have no contracts,, in the next you say they got them because no one else could do it. idiot


 
supremebeing
Sep 27, 2007
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Donmega, your “defend Bush syndrome” is really getting out of hand…nowhere in my opening argument did I even mention GW Bush…you are the one that actually brought him into the argument.

We are beginning to see the exact same accusations about Iran that we saw leading up to the war in Iraq. Only a fool would blindly follow a government that either lied about WMD’s in Iraq, or they greatly exaggerated their intelligence reports. The way Colin Powell went on international T.V and pointed out WMD after WMD, then only to come up with NONE after the invasion is a joke…

They were tracking these “mobile weapons labs” by satellite, how could Saddam have hid them??????Are we that incompetent????

Where is the hard proof that it is not only people in Iran that are aiding the insurgency in Iraq, but it is without a doubt the IRANIAN GOVERNMENT that is providing weapons to the Iraqi insurgents?


General Petreus came out and said that Saudi Arabians make up the majority of the insurgency fighting force in Iraq.

Government officials in Saudi Arabia have been caught funding the Iraq insurgency.

Almost all the 9/11 hijackers were from Saudi Arabia…Please explain to me why we have never heard our great almighty leader even hint at holding Saudi Arabia accountable for all the Americans they have killed and are continuing to kill?????????


 
happycamper
Sep 26, 2007
2 convinced
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Geez, why the U.S. government would ever what to be tied into a guy that supplys terrorists with weapons is beyond me. since the beginning of the Iraq war i have believed that the united states were the good guys and we were fighting the bad guys. But the more information that comes out about stuff like Blackwater, Haliburton, Dick Cheney, torture, etc. the more the line between good guys and bad guys becomes blurred. my nephew is over in Iraq right now and i just hope he comes back safe. God Bless the United States Soldiers-JCB

 
dirtpatch
Sep 26, 2007
2 convinced
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You say theyre hard to find,, but administration officials had said as late as march 30,2003 that they knew exactly where they were.

"We know where they are. They're in the area around Tikrit and Baghdad and east, west, south and north somewhat."
--Donald Rumsfeld
march 30,2003 on ABC News

 
dirtpatch
Sep 26, 2007
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our head of defense is on ABC news "joking" about the reason we went to war? i think not,, goto youtube and watch the clip,, he was in no way joking.

full paragraph
"We know where they [Iraq's WMD] are. They're in the area around Tikrit and Baghdad and east, west, south, and north somewhat....I would also add, we saw from the air that there were dozens of trucks that went into that facility after the existence of it became public in the press and they moved things out. So there may be nothing left. I don't know that. But it's way too soon to know.


LMAO,, man that guys funny! OH man,,LOL,,

 
dirtpatch
Sep 26, 2007
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A24403-2004Jul2.html

 
charles
Oct 08, 2007
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http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/industry/index.html

 
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donmega
Sep 26, 2007
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more conspiracy theory nonsense?
Even the US buys their weapons from him? uh, no.
Have you heard of the MILITARY-INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX?
We don't buy weapons from this guy or that guy, we take bids, and whole companies dedicate themselves to building our weapons.

 
donmega
Sep 26, 2007
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Fed Ex is a military contractor? Halliburton is not a military contractor. Taliban? Really, you're counting the taliban as part of the US? Your BDS has reached a new low. I know, its amazing as you were already lower than snake sh*t...
Yeah, oh, by the way, Men's Vogue? You are citing men's friggin Vogue as a source for serious news? Well, I guess I'll have to cite Archy Comics to rebut...

 
donmega
Sep 26, 2007
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Halliburton is an oilfield services company. Does the Army drill wells now? What is the MOS for that?
You're an idiot who can only paraphrase talking points from MoveOn and DemocraticUnderground.
Fed Ex may well have shipped things for the military, that makes them a what? A SHIPPING CONTRACTOR. KBR is an engineering and construction firm.
About those evil bastard's no bid contracts: You know why they got them? Because no other FIVE companies together have the same capabilities to; plan what needs to be done, prioritize it, get the materials, build it and administer it.
Why, btw, is Microsoft Windows on over 90% of the computers in the world? Because no one else could or did provide the service needed.

 
donmega
Sep 26, 2007
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/06/21/AR2006062101837.html

Sarin isn't a WMD now... http://www.news24.com/News24/World/Iraq/0,,2-10-1460_1528363,00.html
Add to that, the facts that Hussein was afforded, by those wonderful people at the UN over a decade to hide, sell or give away those weapons.
How could he hide them, the stupid will ask, easily, Iraq is about the size of CA, that is 437,072 sq km, gee, that is kind of a lot of space to be able to hide things.
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After overseas news sources began reporting at the beginning of August 2003 that upwards of 30 Cold War-era Russian MiG-25 Foxbat fighter jets had been found buried in the desert at al-Taqqadum airfield near Baghdad, Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld confirmed the discovery on August 5. He cited the exhumed aircraft, which had gone undetected for months by U.S. forces operating in the area, as an example of the difficulty of locating hidden weapons of mass destruction.---------
Maybe he buried the WMD's. Maybe he did dismantle and dispose of his WMD program, the problem then was his abject refusal to provide documentation proving he did so properly. For want of a little paperwork...

 
donmega
Sep 26, 2007
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The phrase: east, west, south and north, didn't clue you in?
That was a joke.

 


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