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Is the USA a true Democracy?
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docday
Sep 20, 2007
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Yes, the majority can do anything it wants.


donmega
Sep 21, 2007
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Rebuttal to: docday Show

Because democracy is the generic term used when all adults are allowed to vote.
Because, until the Iraqi elections a very short time ago, the only place in the middle east an Arab could vote was... ISRAEL.

 
winnieokafor
Sep 22, 2007
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Is the US a true Democracy?

This question is as delicate as the institution of democracy itself. To make this an interesting debate, I will go ahead and define the term "true democracy" as "the best working democracy in the world."

As one of the opponents of the resolution stated, democracy means "power to the people." It is indeed unfortunate that political power & control lands in the hands of a few. However, it is the people (electorate) who continually vote in the same social group of oligarchs into office. This problem has nothing to do with the principles of democracy. The US has the best working democracy in the world because, unlike the humna rights abuses typical of 3rd world nations (where citizens are violently prevented from voting), US citizens are allowed to vote and make their own choice of leaders.

Also, the US has the best working democracy in the world because it does not limit fundamental rights like the right to free speech & the right to privacy etc. For all I care, I can talk about anything & everything I want, even ridicle the incumbent US govt. I can do all these things and many more provided I do not pose a threat to any person. You think the US's system of democracy is false, try going to Cuba and opposing the incumbent president of the country. It would great news if you leave the country alive!

As a response to the argument of why Bush makes a big deal about spreading democracy, I think he has a legitimate reason to do so. In addition to the reasons stated above, democracy in Iraq has led to relatively safer conditions for Women & for christains to practice their religion. The sharia law which govers the Iraqi country is brutal & inhumane and only democracy can stop this.

However, my support for the spread of democracy in the Middle east does not mean I support the method through which it is being spread. WAR IS BAD!!! Nothing good ever comes out of a war expect more disabled & dead people. There other ways to shine the light of democracy to the world and war should by no means be viewed as the only option.

Hope I've been able to persuade you that the US has a "true democracy."

 
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No, the majority can do only what the Constitution specifies.


donmega
Sep 20, 2007
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True democracy is mob rule. True democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting on what is for dinner. The US is a representative republic.
By the way, the constitution limits the government, not the people...

 
jonjax71
Sep 20, 2007
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Democracy is Greek for "the people rule", all you have to ask yourself is do the people rule in the US or is it a small group of people in Dee Cee that rule and pass laws as they wish regardless of what the majority desire. Even some politicos say this is a "representative" democracy because they know it is not a true democracy, I like to call it a oglio-cracy, a few ruling many

 
guitardude
Oct 10, 2008
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I disagree but for a different reason. In the U.S. we elect representatives into office that we believe have the same morals and concerns as we do. The problem is that a majority of the time once a politician is elected into office they are more concerned about their own well being and their own agenda than ours. Just look at the electoral college for example. The way the system is supposed to work is we the people vote for who we want in office as president, the electoral college representatives are then supposed to look at the way we vote, take it into consideration, and cast their vote for the candidate they feel their state's population wants in office. The candidate that has the most votes from the electoral college representatives of that state gets all of the votes. The problem with this is that the electoral college representatives aren't required to vote the way the people of their state do. In fact they can vote however they want. Even if an entire states population voted for the same candidate they could still vote for a different one. However this is very unlikely to happen and would be political suicide. I am just using all of this to illustrate my point that once we elect our representatives into office, we lose pretty much all control.

 
lqtm
Sep 20, 2007
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It certainly does not fill the shoes of the ideal democracy, but then again, the ideal version never works quite right, that's why someone always changes little bits.

I cannot claim to be particularly politically active, but the government seems to me to address issues the people put forth, to the satisfaction of the majority.

It has to be admitted that by having so many stages of vote, the true desire of the individual is diluted through a series of approximations (ie. a 49-51% vote is approximated as 1 vote in favor of the 51%, rinse, repeat, several times), but having each person vote on every single thing is not a realistic solution at the moment.

 
thewhitedwarf
Sep 20, 2007
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There are no true democracies because that would mandate having everyone vote on EVERY issue in the entire country including out of state issues.

But America is a republic: that is a society that elects people to represent them.

 
helpme
Sep 20, 2007
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I know some hate cut and pasters.

Hate this Wikipedia pasting.

"The United States of America is the oldest constitutional republic in the world. According to James Woodburn, in The American Republic and Its Government, "the constitutional republic with its limitations on popular government is clearly involved in the Constitution, as seen in the election of the President, the election of the Senate and the appointment of the Supreme Court." That is, the ability of the people to choose officials in government is checked by not allowing them to elect Supreme Court justices. Woodburn says that in a republic, as distinguished from a democracy, the people are not only checked in choosing officials but also in making laws.[4] A Bill of Rights exists in the U.S. Constitution which protects certain individual rights. The individual rights enumerated in the Bill of Rights cannot be voted away by the majority of citizens if they wished to oppress a minority who does not agree with the restrictions on liberty that they wish to impose. To eliminate these rights would require government officials overcoming constitutional checks as well as a two-thirds majority vote of Congress and ratification by three-fourths of the States in order to amend the Constitution.

A constitutional republic is a form of liberal democracy, but not all liberal democracies are constitutional republics. For example, though the head of state is not elected in a monarchy, it may still be a liberal democracy if there is a parliament with elected representatives that govern according to constitutional law protecting individual rights (called a constitutional democratic monarchy). Also, a representative democracy may or may not be a constitutional republic. For example, "the United States relies on representative democracy, but [its] system of government is much more complex than that. [It is] not a simple representative democracy, but a constitutional republic in which majority rule is tempered by minority rights protected by law."[5]"



 
lqtm
Sep 20, 2007
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Landslide. What does that say?

 
docday
Sep 20, 2007
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Why does GW Bush continually hail democracy as some kind of wonderful ideal? Doesn't he know the USA is a constitutional/representative republic? Why does he talk about establishing democracy in the Middle East?

 


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