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"Under God" in our pledge, and "In God We Trust" on our legal currency. Should this be stopped due to the modern times and atheism becoming more prominent?
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Aaron Zandt
Jan 22, 2013
18 votes
12 debaters
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Yes


Rex Fitzhugh
Jan 24, 2013
1 convinced
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This nation was founded as a secular one. The government and its agencies are to be void of religious opinion. Atheism has nothing to do with it; it’s what the writers of the constitution envisioned.

 
Rex Fitzhugh
Feb 13, 2013
1 convinced
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Rebuttal to: Keith Knox Show

Okay....where to start?

First off, If you "hate" adding your religious affiliation into discourse...then WHY did you add it?

Secondly, out of everything else you wrote, the only other thing I could decipher was your opinion that the reason god should be allowed on money is because "God stands above everything".

There should be no religious affiliation to the government. We have (are supposed to have, rather) a secular government, not a Christian one.

 
Gabe Kahan
Jan 26, 2013
0 convinced
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Rebuttal to: Bishop Bennett Show

No matter what "In God We Trust" might mean, it is still incorporating the idea that separation of church and state is being neglected in the US. In no formal federal document does it say that God represents money. Substituting "God" with money is an interpretation, an opinion.
Imbedding religion in our national motto goes against the entire concept of distancing faith from government, which was one of the intentions of America's founding fathers.

Placing any form of even vague religion in our political culture corrupts America's idea of unity and freedom. Imagine an Atheistic child walking into a government building and seeing "In God We Trust" engraved on the walls. His parents are atheist. They believe that there is no god, and so does he. Suddenly, this child, this perfectly capable young citizen, feels alienated from society. He has his belief, but the nation he lives in believes in something of the contrary. You could say the same for any theistic religion that doesn't refer to their deity/deities as "God."

Mixing "God" with the foundation of our nation is not a good idea if we believe in preserving the platform our country was built on. And like I said before, in both of these religion infused mottos, substituting a citizen's personal religion with the vague term "God" is in no way implied. Religion and government should not overlap.

 
Ash Murley
Feb 05, 2013
0 convinced
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Consider the possibility that atheism is a religion by this definition:
" a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects" (dictionary.com). If we indeed consider that the lack of belief in a divine entity constitutes a set of beliefs that drive a certain moral code among a group of people, then atheism should meet the standard notion of a religious practice. That said, there is no law that specifically prohibits the practice of atheism in this country. However, the very notion that all three branches of the federal government, regardless of the specific party in power, displays reverence to some form of divine entity goes against the spirit of the first amendment. The idea that the federal government can indirectly endorse certain practices over others, such as a belief in a divine entity, without ever ratifying a specific law, establishes an unregulated power that can be manipulated by the government at the will of its leaders on all citizens. This can result in some very dangerous precedences.

 
Nada Surf
Feb 13, 2013
0 convinced
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This should be stopped, but it should be because it offensive to have your god plastered on dollar bills. This could be stopped because it is an endorsement of a particular religion, but I think we are supposed to pretend the god of the dollar bill is the vague god of our founders deism.

 
Nakai C-h
Mar 22, 2013
0 convinced
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Crap, I voted wrong... Yes!! Those two statements were not there when this country was built up and they should not be there now!!!!! Especially because our religious diversity is growing.

 
Angel Ornelas
Jul 05, 2013
0 convinced
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Rebuttal to: Keith Knox Show

However, now that society has evolved into a world filled with different beliefs and purposes, the parts involving God MUST be changed. Not only is it offensive to those who believe in a different religion but it fails to show our country's backbone. The US is a country that offers freedom of religion, as well as freedom of speech, all in which has been incorporated within our legacy as a nation. Labeling our legal currency with "In God We Trust" is illogical and immoral. I do not intend on offending your religion, but every person believes in a different entity, and by forcing society with an unwanted God ensures a darker future. By removing the label on our legal currency, our nation can be unified further, therefore diminishing racism.

 
Angel Ornelas
Jul 05, 2013
0 convinced
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Society has evolved into a world filled with different beliefs and purposes, the parts involving God MUST be changed. Not only is it offensive to those who believe in a different religion but it fails to show our country's backbone. The US is a country that offers freedom of religion, as well as freedom of speech, all in which has been incorporated within our legacy as a nation. Labeling our legal currency with "In God We Trust" is illogical and immoral. Every person believes in a different entity, and by forcing society with an unwanted God ensures feelings of contempt. By removing the label on our legal currency, our nation can be unified further, therefore diminishing racism. The concept of separation of church and state is being disregarded and demonstrates the corruption within the religious system. "In God We Trust" emphasizes that WE AS A WHOLE NATION trust in God, but how can that apply to Atheists or those who are Buddhists? Our Founding Father's have spoken against incorporating religion within our government, and their intentions were to create a separation between the two. Therefore, it is imperative that the label "In God We Trust" should be removed and diminished.

 
Ben Benner
Nov 05, 2013
0 convinced
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Even if atheism wasn't as prominent, it still should be removed. You know, Separation of Church and State and all.

 
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Bishop Bennett
Jan 23, 2013
0 convinced
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In God we trust is on money.

What it really means is "In money we trust". Money is the god. But the American Government is to hypocritical to admit to truth.

One nation under God

This could mean anything in other words "one nation under Allah" "one nation under Moroni" "one under Bahaullah" "one nation under Mother Nature" "One nation under whatever god you want it to be" In AA and NA and the other A's they always say "Choose the god of your own understanding". So one nation under God could mean whatever you want no one says the pledge of allegience anymore so who cares.
When you have money are you thinking about the "in God we trust" or are you thinking about what you are about to buy. no one really cares about that they only care about spending the money or saving it.

 
Keith Knox
Jan 26, 2013
0 convinced
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(This is coming from a 15 year old male, has a religious background, but hates adding it to debates simply because some hateful soul will come and knock all ideas aside because I believe in God. Think about that). The parts involving God are indead old but it SHOULD NEVER be changed just because the world now has changed signifigantly. Mr. Zandt, seriously think about what it means to you. Trust me life will never change to benefit the past but a darker future. And Mr. Bennett (nice name) stop playing the conspiracy game, and realize that the real reason it was on money was as a reminder that God stands above everything. The gov't in the past needed currency for the country so that it could prosper, so why in the world would you think that they'd make God associated with money. We weren't there that is all past. Now we should think more on how that stands in the future... because that is all I can focus on.

 
Richi Walker
Apr 10, 2013
0 convinced
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Depending on how you look at it can change the outlook on having GOD incorporated into currency. If you change the light on the focus you see something different which shows a different understanding to why In GOD we Trust is on currency. When you look at what currency is you see it is nothing more then a middle man between trading goods. You pay money and receive an item, the person selling the item uses the money to buy his items he needs. Looking at Americas history they have a tendency to get what they want even if it means bending a few rules. America has locked down some of the worlds most profitable resources in its wars. When we look at the main wars and what was obtained through these we see a new reason for In GOD we trust. Iraq, Iran, and Afghanistan, all wars based on possible lies which resulted in the following control, Gold, Oil and Drugs... GOD.. so is it reason for religious correctness, it all depends how you view it to begin with.

 
Kaleb Jefferson
Jun 28, 2013
0 convinced
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The words "in God we trust" refer to no specific God, so it is okay in that aspect, and we all seem to forget this country was founded based on religion

 
Ash Resta
Oct 02, 2015
0 convinced
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If the government stopped promoting religion, the ingenious system of how America is run would fall apart. People would stop believing in a God, then they would see how illogical a lot of the things that we do as a country are. Then, patriotism would start to disappear, which is the foundation of America and its citizens.

Religion fogs a lot of people from thinking critically about things, and if too many of us become non-believers of God, that may result in too many people becoming non-believers of America which is a very scary thought for the people who run it.

 


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