Login/Sign Up




IRAQ
Politics

patriot
Aug 13, 2007
11 votes
8 debaters
3
2
2
1
1


+ Add Argument

10
Massive humanitarian failure.


mrpayne88
Aug 13, 2007
3 convinced
Rebuttal
It was a massive humanitarian failure

#1.....What happened to those weapons of mass destruction and as a result thousands of civilians have been killed in the fire fight. Policital representatives assasinated and roadside bombs galore.

#2.....Failure to protect the national Museum which housed some of the oldest artifacts the world has ever seen from one of the first settlesments Babylonia. Sad day for history....

#3.....Political Pressures to just pick up and leave prematurely leaving IRAQ in complete chaos. Iraq should have never happened but since they are already there they should not be able to leave unti there is some degree of politcal and economic stability

 
vancam
Aug 13, 2007
2 convinced
Rebuttal
Rebuttal to: thales Show

I presume you mean this time around. Since we had the oppurtunity to take out Saddam and sons in the 90's and instead we left him in power enabling him to take retribution on those people that joined us in uprising against him. They were all slaughtered.

This time round getting rid of Saddam is about the only thing we got right.

 
vancam
Aug 13, 2007
0 convinced
Rebuttal
Rebuttal to: unlabled00 Show

superb.

 
vancam
Aug 13, 2007
0 convinced
Rebuttal
Rebuttal to: froggyj4 Show

Considering no one agency or government can agree on the amount of people killed in Iraq during the latest campaign nevermind what the numbers were beforehand I find it unlikely that this is a reliable indicator and probably just another government funded research study with bias built in.

 
vancam
Aug 13, 2007
0 convinced
Rebuttal
Rebuttal to: froggyj4 Show

Well whoever started this debate certainly didn't invent the phrase "mission accomplished" did they...

I seem to remember seeing it written on a banner at a top gun costume party on a boat somewhere.



 
supremebeing
Aug 14, 2007
0 convinced
Rebuttal
"top gun
costume party "

LOL-Hilarious! Well done vancam.

 
froggyj4
Aug 14, 2007
0 convinced
Rebuttal
Rebuttal to: vancam Show

I love how when numbers disagree with liberals' opinions, they're biased. Scientists present argument that global warming is false - oh, they were paid by oil companies therefore any evidence they have is worth less than its opposition. You malign Republicans for ignoring facts, truth, and science, but you feel free to claim bias when facts, truth, and science don't agree with you.

 
froggyj4
Aug 14, 2007
0 convinced
Rebuttal
Rebuttal to: vancam Show

I think this is akin to saying at Gettysburg, "Either the Civil War has caused tens of thousands of American deaths or A house divided cannot stand." When Bush was on the aircraft carrier, the mission of winning control of Iraq's government was complete - Saddam Hussein, his sons, and other Iraqi leaders were on the run or dead. Can a war not have several missions? Can you complete a mission before the war is done? A fairer debate would be to argue whether the loss of life up to now plus the lives that will be lost is worth the freedom of the Iraqi people or worth the creation of democracy in the middle east. You could argue whether Middle Eastern Society is ready for democracy yet. You could argue whether this war is winnable, whether Bush lied to get us into it, whether the war has made us safer. My point is, there are uncountable constructive debates that could be had, and this debate is negative, charged, and biased.

 
vancam
Aug 15, 2007
0 convinced
Rebuttal
Rebuttal to: booyakasha Show

I think you are forgetting the Neopolean wars, Abyssinia, Bosnia...hold on. What about the wars that Britain conducted before the US existed?

I dread to think what you people study in history I really do.

 
booyakasha
Aug 16, 2007
0 convinced
Rebuttal
Rebuttal to: vancam Show

I didn't say WWII was the only one.

 
+ Add Argument

1
Mission Accomplished!


unlabled00
Aug 13, 2007
2 convinced
Rebuttal
The above topic being an anagram for

"C'mon I lied, so scampish!"

 
froggyj4
Aug 13, 2007
1 convinced
Rebuttal
This is an unfair debate because it's structured in such a way that the two options are "Attacking Iraq made it a paradise" or "Attacking Iraq didn't make a paradise." Things aren't good in Iraq. Tens of thousands of people have died. Why? Because the Middle East has uncountable numbers of sick people who kill civilians for their own gain. If you were as humanitarian as you claim, you'd want find all the people who think it's okay to kill civilians and stop them.

Secondly, little reported is the fact that life expectancy for Iraqis is higher now than before the war. How could that be with terrorist attacks, no water, no power, no oil, and the middle class escaping en masse?

http://www.indexmundi.com/iraq/life_expectancy_at_birth.html

 
thewhitedwarf
Aug 13, 2007
1 convinced
Rebuttal
Well, neither. I doubt either political agenda - the left's slogan of horrible humanitarian defeat or the right's of brillant success deserve much credence at all.

One of the best debates on this site was when Riddar (old member who does not post anymore I think) argued that statements like these LACK HISTORICAL CONTEXT. That is, we can't evaluate magnitude of failure or success because neither have been determined.

At the begining of the war most were for Bush (he had like 90% approval ratings) and now his ratings have crapped out. The point of it all is, people are too quick to decide. Time should pass and the next presidency and maybe several after that, should make to us, evident of what really went on.

Plus, if there were nukes in Iraq, why would the government tell us? If we criticize the government for lying before the war, couldn't they be just as likely lying now? I mean, I am not so gullible to believe everything that the media or the white house dishes out. Time tells all

 
thales
Aug 13, 2007
0 convinced
Rebuttal
These positions are pretty extreme. I've been against the Iraq war since day 1, and I think that the places where it's gone horribly wrong are too numerous to count.

I still think that it's better than Saddam & Sons, though, in the long run.

 
booyakasha
Aug 15, 2007
0 convinced
Rebuttal
Rebuttal to: vancam Show

Well what was the outcome of World War I?? Massive Humanitarian failure or mission accomplished? Ask yourself that. World War two is one of the only wars (not counting revolutions/civil wars) in human history that was the right thing to do. It's a war! It won't be fun, it won't be glamorous and chances are there won't be any definitive "accomplishments."

 


Use these tags to find similiar debates

britain death government politics uk 2008 2009 9/11 abortion Afghanistan america Arizona AU bad Baha BBC bias Biden boycott Britain bush canada capitalism Censorship cheney children China Christianity church cia Clinton Cold War commonwealth communism Communist congress conservative conservatives conspiracy Constitution Corruption country crime death debate defeat Democracy democrat Democrats detention discrimination drugs economics economy education election elections Ethics EU Europe Euthanasia evil Fascism feminism Fight France Frankie freedom Freedom of speech freedoms french gay Gaza george bush Georgia global global warming goverment government Great Britain Guantanamo Bay guns Health Health Care Healthcare Hillary hillary clinton History Hitler homosexual human rights illegal illegal immigration immigration india iran Iranian presidential election iraq islam Israel japan Jewish juggernaut justice Karl law laws legal legislation liberal lies marijuana marriage mccain media Medicine mexico middle east military monarchy money moral morals Mugabe Muslim Muslims news North Korea nuclear nukes Obama objective Oil opression Osama pakistan Palestine Palin Panda paradox parliament peace petition philosophy policy politicians Politics polygamy power president Prime Minister prisoners protest Public Affairs punishment queen race racism religion republican Republicans revolution right rights Rove russia Saddam Sarkozy Security sex socialism Society South Korea sovereignty Supreme court tax taxes terror terrorism terrorist terrorists Tibet torture Troop U.S. uk un united nations united states us usa vancam vote Votes voting war washington weapons wmd women world wrong