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there is nothing wrong with being gay
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Sean Fagan
Aug 27, 2015
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Patrick H Swain
Sep 08, 2015
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Rebuttal to: Amr S-Diab Show

Nature doesn't really have set out rules and I'm pretty sure that one of the millions of animals that have lived has probably been gay, "oh no! natural livings are breaking the rules of nature" I don't think so..

 
Patrick H Swain
Sep 01, 2015
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People say that being homosexual is "naturally" wrong? And that you are breaking the rules of nature.. When sense nature has rules and what if you were born then "naturally" Turned out to be gay anyway?
Saying it isn't natural to be gay is just a belief you chose for yourself and evolution changes overtime, if we were still monkeys (lol) a monkey could possibly turn (nuturally!) gay

 
Jory Ferrell
Sep 20, 2015
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Rebuttal to: Amr S-Diab Show

It is perfectly natural to be gay. As stated by Patrick H. Swain, nature does not have rules concerning sexuality. Nature is not an entity which makes decisions. There are simply things which work more often than others. That said, DNA is like a jar full of dice. These dice may have slightly off-centered weights, causing them to generally prefer landing in a certain configuration, more than others, but sometimes, physics just pulls something new out of the hat, and a die will land counter to the way it normally would with the weight bias.

Does this mean the die is wrong? No. There is no real right and wrong here, because each situation is an random roll of the dice, and hurts NO ONE. I agree that nature (to anthropomorphize nature and ascribe it a will, though it does not possess one) "prefers" those of opposite sex be the ones to mate. But this does not mean they have to. Again, nature is not a living being with a plan. Nature is just random fluctuations, creating results, and the results which are setup to survive the local conditions most advantageously, are the ones more likely to pass on their information. But again, nature does not discriminate really.
BTW, sea otters rape young sea otters. Many male animals rape their female counter-parts. Does that make rape ok? No. Just because something does or does not happen in nature is not the determining factor in whether something is wrong. It does prove that God is likely not responsible for nature (unless it is evil), and that there is likely no real objective morality, but it doesn't mean we are free to do what we want (The Golden Rule: Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.), and seeing as homosexuality, agreed to by both parties, wouldn't be harmful to anyone, it is perfectly acceptable.



 
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Being gay is not a choice, telling people you are is. I've never been in a feeling wherein I question myself on what I really am but based on what people tell me I conclude that being gay is a natural feeling, if you would argue that it is not then think about the young transgenders. As young as they are, they already have the thought of being the opposite gender of what they have physically. There are people right now struggling on that feeling not because they are confused on what they are but because they are afraid and fear crosses them. Fear of rejection, humiliation, depression and etc. You do not know that maybe that person you think is straight is actually gay. Just because they didn't tell it doesn't make them not one. You will never understand this concept if you have a narrow mind. You are not forced to accept but you are indeed to respect. There is no breaking of natural life in here..

 
Jory Ferrell
Oct 03, 2015
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Rebuttal to: Ahmed Erina Show

Do you study genetics? No? Well then how do you know enough to claim it is a choice rather than genetically determined? Do you go to a doctor when you are sick with an infection? Yes. Why? Because you don't know jack about microbiology. You don't know jack about evolution, and how it may have spawned a new version of a virus, which is similar to the older generations of flu, but not treatable by past medications. What you are doing right now, is telling doctors (Microbiologists) that they are wrong about stuff which they have studied in detail, for their entire lives. You are doing this because your life is not on the line. But again, when you need real expertise to save your life, because you lack the necessary knowledge, you turn to doctors whose research is BASED ON EVOLUTIONARY PRINCIPLES, allowing them to save you with the very same knowledge you deny to be true. You are insane for this. You are. Every other aspect of your sexual identity is controlled by genetics:

- Your sexual organs are genetically programmed.
- Your hormones are genetically programmed for.
- The periods of puberty, controlled by hormones, are also controlled by genetics. When hormones of certain types, in certain amounts reach a critical state, you begin experiencing puberty.

But, despite all these aspects being controlled by your genetics, you only make a choice with which gender you seek out? No.
No. If you cannot understand how complex systems can form from simple rules (I bet you do not believe evolution is correct as well right?), then how would you understand how sexuality came to evolve? Evolution is a process where more efficient systems are favored over non-efficient ones. Non-efficient systems can stick around, but they are often going to be outstripped, and out-competed by efficient systems. This means those who seek mates of the same sex waste reproductive opportunity, and so they are not the norm in our population. Heterosexuals do however make effective use of reproductive potential, as evidenced by our overly large global population. Therefore, heterosexuals have the advantage in populating with genetics that have the same advantage. This creates a bias in nature, towards systems which differentiate between sexes, driving us to the opposite sex.
That said, that doesn't mean it is WRONG to be gay. Nature is nature. Shit happens. There is no morality ascribed to nature.
We are free to deny our nature. It's crazy how bent out of shape people are about sexual desire for the same sex, again, seeing as our global population size means more competition for resources.
Are you for everyone murdering each because Americans need oil to supply their enormous population, and the Middle Easterners have a large supply of it? Is that what god wanted? Did god want many married couples to continue producing more than 2 children, leading to a steady, gradual population increase, ensuring that we don't have enough resources to share? If that is the case, then your god is evil, and not worth worshiping. :

 
Jory Ferrell
Oct 03, 2015
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Rebuttal to: Ahmed Erina Show

Animals may not become gay, but they are born gay. There are also examples of animal species which change their sex depending on the availability of mates. Why do they do this? Because they are searching for opposite sex partners. Asexual reproduction is not as efficient at generating new genetic combinations compared to heterosexual reproduction. High variation in heterosexual reproduction is desirable because it makes a species, more adaptable to the environment (Sometimes individuals of a species may have gotten the short straw genetically, but the species overall is often more adaptable in general.)
It is better to look at gender in this way: males and females really are not all that different. Each just contains specialized packages of information for mating with others of the species. "Females" are going to carry the young, being specialized for the task, which makes them more survivable than males. In nature, you often find females which are the dominate gender in the species. Black widows are a good example. Does this make them better than males? No. It's just an accident of nature. Each is doing a specific job, in order to aid in specialization, which increases survivability.
This is the reason even cells of our body specialize in certain tasks.
General, all-rounder cells do not propagate signals as well as neurons. Stem cells do not carry oxygen as well as red blood cells.
Generic cells would not combat disease as well as white blood cells. As a result, the cells specialize, like workers in a factory.
But, if a non-harmful percentage of your neurons decided to be "gay" and carry oxygen to you lungs, or attack infections, would that be wrong? I don't think it would. After-all, the overall number of gays is not likely to destroy our reproductive capacity as a species, being a non-harmful percentage of the population. Would you be gay? Would you TURN GAY tomorrow? Not likely. Okay then. And it is safe to say there are others who are the same way. So how about you mate for our species if the Gay-pocalypse ever arrives and we don't have enough reproduction going on.

By the way. You do know that there are plenty of gays who want to raise children right? Do you think they wouldn't have sex with each other to keep our species alive? The whole idea that we would run out of enough heterosexual people to keep our species intact is stupid, but for the sake of argument, gays still often produce children, either being mating bisexuals, through artificial insemination, surrogate-propagation, etc. So the idea is still stupid.
There would be zero issue if everyone were to become gay tomorrow, at the very least in terms of maintaining the population levels of our species.

 
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Rebuttal to: Amr S-Diab Show

People have different rules and values. And, this cannot be compared to murder and stealing. This is because murder and stealing are generated from fear/anger/hate. Homosexuality generates love/compassion, and anyone who is angered by it are people who aren't affected by it and definitely not in a negative way. Also, murder and stealing harm people whereas homosexuality does not, so it is irrelevant to compare the two. It's like saying, 'The USA has made drugs legal, well they might as well make murder legal too,' as it has no real connection or releveance. This is similar to the argument, 'Oh, if people can have sex with the the same sex, then why can't everyone just have sex with other animals?' (Irrelevant because those other animals are entirely different species).

 
Lydia Grond
Nov 20, 2015
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I am a Christian. I think God wanted everyone to be equal, and he will STILL love them even if they are gay!

 
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Aasif Essack
Aug 30, 2015
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With all due respect to people who are homosexual, it is by far against the natural way of life. God has created two types of beings, male and female for a reason, that being to reproduce. Thus homosexuality comes in the way of the way of life thus in my opinion being wrong. I do come across as accepting and respecting those who are homosexual.

 
Ahmed Erina
Oct 01, 2015
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Rebuttal to: Seraiah Shem Visarra Show

it not only a choice, but it is a desire that can change. for example, desire to steal or lie and they the choice to overcome. however, gay kids are now turning homosexuals at early age because of the society they live, the society that tells kids gay is not wrong. however, i will tell you one thing, i am afraid of the consequence of homosexuals, because in the bible and Koran there is a village wiped out because they were embracing homosexuality.

 
Amr S-Diab
Aug 29, 2015
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Being against natural life breaks every established rule and value u have . So u start thinking whats wrong in killing or stealing or being rude to others.

 
Ahmed Erina
Oct 01, 2015
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Rebuttal to: Patrick H Swain Show

first of all where do you get animals can become gay, that not true. what if it is true do we have to follow what i the nature tell us what to do, for example, the black widow kills her husband after mating. Does that mean we have to follow the nature and kill all men?.

 


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